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Hey eldar peoples,
I've been going through several lists, both here and in 40k online as I've just recently picked my eldar back up after a long hiatus with that army.
I've noticed that people are more often than not fielding dire avengers over guardian squads, more than likely due to the longer range on the shuriken cats and the possibility of bladestorm.
Now, the question I have is: if this is the case, why bother taking guardians? they are cheaper and have a heavy weapon in the squad, but is it really worth it to take them when a dire avenger squad can do a better job?
Well guardians are still good for a cheap unit to sit on an objective, while still being able to contribute at long ranges.
Last edited by Skarsgard; January 21st, 2009 at 05:06. Reason: capitals
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Guardians are as good as they have ever been, since they got nerfed hard in 3rd- which is to say, They Aren't.
They're... OK. They're cheap, for eldar, but over priced compared to what they have and what they can do and when compared to other races.
I love my guardians, old, metal 2nd ed guys. It is hard to include them these days considering the other troop choices out there. Besides the obvious cheap, sit on a rear objective and fire the heavy weapon; does anyone run guardian squads in another way?
Guardian Defenders are a solid unit capable of filling a number of battlefield roles and doing it well.
The fancy new Avengers have stolen some of the players hearts with fancy exarch powers, boosted range and superior stats but the humble guardian squad is still the way to go for me.
For a start they get a lot more benefit from a Farseer as a large squad can really rack up the hits with the application of guide for example purely due to the fact they can have more models in the squad. Following on from that leads naturally to more hits = more effect from Doom
They make better baseline objective holders due to the use of warlock powers such as conceal and embolden. Not only are they less likely to run but they can have a heavy weapon to thicken up your fire.
The only real time Avengers are better in my mind is as part of the mechanised assualt from Wave Serpents. There you face limited squad sizes and limited turns of firing and there the bladestorming superior kill/model ratio of Avengers wins out.
The universe of 40k is a dangerous place with multi-shot AP4 guns a-plenty and as such I'd rather rely on embolden, conceal and extra bodies (especially now embolden has been ruled to work on farseer tests) to get my troops where I want them rather than armour thats going to fail the moment someone points a heavy bolter equivalent at them.
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That's a very well put argument Emerald. The warlock going with them apparently slipped my mind, and with a warlock there they can reliably be aided by a wraithlord or wraithguard as well.
I use Guardians
20 Guardians with EML and warlock with conceal
they are reliable when in large numbers and with a warlock with conceal. This way they can hold objectives very well or get them close shoot and then charg. They are cheaper than avengers because they dont need a transport and are far more affective than foot slogging avengers.
You have to keep in mind that eldar is quit an expensive army points wise so buying lots of skimmers isn't to good because it takes up points and limits other good thing you can get.
Like taking 5+ wave serpents is a little over the top a good amount would be 2-4 wave serpents to not sink your points that much.
I use guardians from time to time. Essentially I see them as irritating units. I usually throw them at some far off objective and let them hold it while my main force goes for the main objectives. It is funny to see how many opponents ignore them till its too late.
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I like guardian defenders. They have the ability to take a warlock which is a real bonus. A 10 man unit with a weapon platform, sitting in cover with embolden can be hard to shift.
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Guardians aren't necessarilly good, however, the rest of our army is VERY good and guardians are cheap. Something I've been considering is grabbing a single unit of guardians to put into cover in the event that I need to claim an objective on my side of the board or whatever, maybe giving them a scatter laser or missle launcher for the occassional pot shot simply because it would be cheaper than another unit of avengers and (in 4+ cover) just as sturdy. Points not being wasted on troops is points that are able to kill other stuff.
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