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Can eldar still be a pretty tough army to beat nowadays? I just got back into warhammer and am wondering what to start, ive never tried eldar, but I keep hearing ppl talk crap about them, are they really that gimped or are they a decent army to invest in?
Gimped yes. I don't expect to see us winning any grand tournies for some time.
However most people who played Eldar even in the past didn't bring the pure cheese needed for something like that, and still did fine on their local tabletops.
What I'm saying is that Eldar seem to still be a solid choice for an army at your local gaming club.
However I think what has most people grumbling under their breath (myself included) is that much of the stuff that used to be good, like starcannons, are guano now. Or maybe they were using a craftworld army that can't even be fielded anymore. And hence we feel especially nerfed until we've spent the cash required to adapt.
However you as a new player could get an army that would do well in the current play environment, and take advantage of all the fancy new models!
Last edited by sunnyside; February 10th, 2009 at 04:03.
We may not be Orks or CSM, but we're most definitely one of the most competitive lists out right now.
Then again, I run mech-reserve eldar, I have no idea what loony things you guys are doing
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I agree with rattrap. Eldar are still a very competitive army. Our mech lists aren't almost invincible any more but they are still good, our elite lists got a big boost, and given the new combat resolution rules we come out looking amazing in every way except maybe hoard eldar. Reserve lists are particularly potent for Eldar given that we can now hold everythign in reserve and then get +1 to the reserve rolls for each autarch. Our lists will just have to be more focused that they were, but we are still very competitive.
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Heh, I think all three of us said basically the exact same thing three different ways.
Actually, it's a little scary when Eldar players agree. :/
Coming from the other side of the table (that is, non-eldar, actually a blessed traitor of the emperor) I can tell you that Eldar still holds great respect from the community. You guys have a very sensitive codex that requires absolute finesse and precision. As a Chaos player, I have it easy, because our troops pretty much run themselves and are very forgiving, along with Lash silly billies. In other words, you don't have to be a tactical genius to play most traitor builds. On the other hand, Eldar really only comes into bloom when the general at the helm fully understands his/her codex and how to implement proper battle tactics. Your infantry are highly specialized and demand solid timing. While the star cannon isn't what it used to be (thank Nurgle), and rending was nerfed, there are still more than a few options that compensate. At any rate, I'll quit this ambiguous rambling and get back to my bottle of jack...
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So many people are backing up mech Eldar, but footslogger are still a viable choice for an army, I just tied 3rd in a 4 part tourney along with orks.
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I'm going to join the crowd and say eldar are still a good army but not the top of the tournie pile. I find that I can most times win or tie games but if you use scoring where the amount you win by makes a difference my eldar start to struggle. Wins yes, overwhelming victories no. Our troops are to fragile to hold objectives and not killy enough like our elites FA and HS. I have seen some reports from players using mech reserve lists and winning or placing well.
I just started eldar and used pure mech and did ok. Then I ran my troops in serpents, and other stuff in reserves, and what a difference. I like using warp spiders, used them against orks once, a squad took out 14 in the first volley, and he wasnt close enough to hit them thanks to jumping back. Outflanking warwalkers with scatterlasers really dampens the mood on people who use light armored transports, rhinos and such. Or even against nids taking a chunk out of their army. Or even running a ghost list is still fun.