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I was trying to come up with a good "Take All comers" 1750 list of Orks for a local League/tournament some guys are doing at my local store.
I think I have a pretty solid list, but I'm still uncertain about a few things...
1. Heavy Armor vs Cybork Armor.
I think most people around here would actually agree that Cybork Armor is better because of the fact that it gives them an Invulnerability save. However, I'm still not 100% convinced, because a lot of the local people prefer the Heavy Armor. It does seem to work better in combat (unless they're using Power Weapons) and sometimes they don't have super high AP weapons...which means it would work well vs Small arms.
If I were to take both, I'm not sure what I should drop to get the points...and it feels a bit expensive.
2. 15x Storm Boyz vs 6x Warbikers.
Basically, I'm looking at 15x StormBoyz Nob PK vs. 6x Warbikers Nob PK BP.
The Stormboys get more attacks and I really like how fast they can move, but the Warbikers are really nice with the TL Dakka guns. PLus, if I get 6x Warbikes (which is all the models I have atm), I can get +25pts in Upgrades.
3. Waauughh Banner vs Attack Squig.
Since I'm probably going with Warbikes, I'm trying to figure out how to spend the last 25pts. At first I was going to get a Attack Squig for the Warboss for that extra PK attack, but then I thought a Waaauugh! Banner might be even better since it would increase the Nob's chance to hit in the first place.
Also, for the last 10 pts, I'm thinking I should get Big Shootas for the Battlewagons since they have no guns, and if someone rolls a weapons destroyed, they'll be immobolized instead.
At any Rate, here is what I think will be the Final list, but I'm very open to suggestions...so please tell me what you think.
I'm guessing you could call this Speedfreaks, with a few surprises....Kinda wish I had Nob Bikers too, but I don't know I would want to drop for them.
The one other thing I'm afraid of is the Boss doesn't have an extra protection aside from FNP when he's in the group of Nobz.
HQ Total 170pts
Warboss PK 85pts
Big Mek KFF 85pts
Troops Total 888pts
19x Shoota Boyz Nob PK 2x Big Shootas - 159pts.
12x Trukk Slugga Boy Nob PK BP 157pts
Trukk Red Ram
12x Trukk Slugga Boyz '' '' 157pts
9x Nobz Painboy, Waaaugh Banner, Cybork armor PK 295 pts
Battlewagon Deffrolla, Red, Big Shoota, 120pts
Elite Total 385pts
10x Lootas 150pts
14x Kommandos-Burna w/ Snikrot 235pts
Fast Attack Total 190pts
6x Warbikers Nob PK BP 190pts.
Heavy Total 115pts
BattleWagon Deffrolla, Big Shoota, RPJ (shootas) 120pts
Well, both bikes and Stormboyz are widely regarded as not worth their points. So, really, it's more of a what you feel like using. Regular bikerz will get shot to hell and back tho, so Stormboyz are better able to absorb casualties.
Heavy armor usually doesn't make any difference. If you give it to single nobz in a unit of boyz, it's pretty much a waste. Usually people like putting nobz on bikez, which gives 'em the 4+ anyways, so then they add cybork and FnP onto that. On non bike nobz, yes it's worth it, probably. Otherwise, yes, heavy armor is pretty much a total waste.
YES battlewagons need gunz. 4 big shootas isn't a bad idea, because it makes the tank able to take damage and gives you some shots if you decide to stay still for some reason.
Other than that. You should probably take the red paint off the trukks and wagons, and maybe the rams off the trukks also. That lets you drop some points for other stuff. 2 battlewagons will give people trouble, especially with a kff to help you. Warboss needs cybork and heavy armor.
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Perhaps drop the bikes altogether and have another battlewagon for the shootas, it will protect the shootas, plus if you intend on them hanging back to hold home objectives, give the wagon a killkannon. That way it can shoot stuff up and it gives you some mobile, durable heavy ordinance. Plus the boys can shoot out of it too to full effect, at a different target.
The way I see it is that you already have 2 units of boys in trukks (which are fast) and snikrot ambushing too. So I don't see the need for much more really fast expensive stuff.. ;o) Thats just me though.
Cybork bodies are typically better because they work against almost everything and since you have a Painboy anyway you'll shrug off most small arms fire.
Stormboyz vs. Bikers? I prefer Bikers. They have higher T, better armor, are always in cover, most faster, and have the nasty TL dakkaguns. Stormboyz are nasty, but they are fairly easy to gun down. I think 6 is too few (same with 15 Stormboyz), I prefer 8-12.
Attack Squig vs. Waagh! Banner. Would you prefer 1 extra attack or +1 WS on every model in the unit (including attached characters)? The Waagh! Banner gets more overall utility.
For the list itself, Boss could use some protection and a bosspole, Battlewagons could use armor plates and grot riggers (keep them rolling), Nobs need more PKs and Lootas could use more bodies. You could actually drop the Bikers altogether to beef the rest of your units and get another unit of Lootas.
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Your nobz really need both heavy and cybork. You have invested so many points into that unit, the more survivable you can make them the better. The Waagh banner is a no brainer as well. Out of the bikers and Stormboyz i would go with the storm boyz , just because the bikers tend to fold very quickly once they have to start taking LD tests. If you need to find points, you can drop a bike, 2-3 kommandos, or maybe a nob or 2. And get at least 2 big shootas on that battlewagon.
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Also, I was wondering, do I have to give Heavy Armor to all my Nobs to have each benefit from it? I thought since you take the majority of the saves, I could equip it on say, 6 outta 9 and make sure I always keep the majority equipped with heavy armor...Of course, if I have each Nob armed differently, it may not work.
I have 2 Battlewagons already, one for the Shootas and 1 for the Nobz/Warboss. Now I just need to decide where I should put the KFF. Originally I was going to but it into a BattleWagon, but on second thought....I think having it inside a Trukk that I keep between the 2 BW's would make it easier to keep BOTH Battlewagons Obscured...in case they decide to go their seperate ways.
So in Summary, I think I will drop the Bikers and see how that works. Probably add at least 6x More Lootas so I have 2 groups of 8x, and give the Nobz Heavy Armor and everything else some good upgrades.
1. So, if I give say 6 Nobz Heavy Armor, do they all get a 4+ Save, or only ones that are equipped teh same? Sorry, I'm not 100% sure how that works.
2. I forgot to ask this before. but How many Attacks does Snikrot get by default? He has 4 on his Profile, but it says he has an Extra Close Combat Weapon. So is that a +1 Bonus attack? Or is that already included in the 4?
Does he get 4 or 5?