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need some help against chaos.
i am going to be battling chaos next week with my necrons and need a good list.
i own all necron models my opponents list is:
2 squads of plague marines
squad of terminators
Last edited by lala147799; February 22nd, 2009 at 00:38.
Bring a sledgehammer
Initial thoughts - a C'tan would work well against that mess, so long as you keep him away from the Plague marines. (No easy wounds here!) Should be able to utterly crush those ICs and the Bloodthirster if he gets it on the field.
Flying circus should also work well here - it should be relatively easy to teleport 10 immortals to get the rear armor of those dreadnoughts.
The termies and plague marines will be hard to wound. For the latter, Destroyers are in order, or Scarab swarms to hold them up forever. Honestly, the best thing you can do to termies is just spam them off the field.
I'd question taking a Monolith here. He's got (potentially) 5 units that have decent anti-tank shooting, and either Dread getting into CC with it will simply end the machine. IMO, a C'tan just comes up as a better choice here.
Heya lala, welcome to LO.
Something that would help is knowing how many points you have to work with for this battle.
ALSO your friend better not be using 3 HQ choices, in the standard rules he cannot field Abaddon, Typhus AND a Bloodthirster.
He's apparently playing hardball with Characters etc. I noted you enjoy using the Nightbringer, i'd say take It with. As many destroyers as you can muster, and some tomb spyders, you'll need those to kill the plague marines (they're great at killing nurgle units). Heavy destroyers or monolith wouldn't hurt either. Keep a strong warrior core as well. You're going to want a strong core, warriors can get you a long way just don't let them get caught up in combat.
I've only faced chaos marines once, and the list wasn't anywhere near as loaded as that one is. Too bad you can't field both C'tan...
Oblits are your biggest problem straight off, they pack an absoulte wallop and can destroyer our squads in short order via plasmacannons. keep in cover and destroy them from a range, Heavy destroyers should be able to one shot these things. Bloodthirster, Abbadon and Typhus are devastating, as are terminators. Not sure exactly how you're going to counter them outside massed fire from destroyers warriors and immortals, if you hit them enough they'll go down. If the Nightbringer gets a hit off on Typhus or Abbadon though, they're gone, and I believe NB hits first against both. Destroyers and heavy destroyers are you best bet against the bloodthirster, keep the nightbring in the other two if at all possible. EDIT: I double checked the CSM Codex, you can't one-shot Abbadon, which is unfortunate. I'd do everything you can to just walk away from him.
Dreads are going to be cake, give them a couple volleys from your warriors and they're not going very far after that. Don't forget to keep your forces together if you leave a squad out and alone it'll get taken down like a sick antelope.
G'luck man, yer gonna need it (love those dice)
I'm curious what CSM codex he is using. As of the latest one I don't believe they get anything other than generic lesser daemons and generic greater daemons, and they have to come out of a squad or something. Otherwise I would say to make the Obliterators your top priority. Those things can chew through your whole army by themselves if given the chance.
As noted above I don't think he can bring those three together but again the 'Thirster might have a generic statline and that's just the model he happens to be using for it. Remember that the greater generic daemons don't start on the table. They have to emerge from an existing character. I'm going to assume he has some kind of command structure in at least one of those squads because otherwise I don't know if he can bring in the 'Thirster without killing one of his characters. Again points would be helpful and if you could please say what codex version he is using that would be great. Unless this is an Apoc game?
i do though want to bring the monolith.i think its flux arc can do some damage.and i know im bringing NB.tomb spyders though?i kinda always deemed them to be weak and take heavy destroyers.im just trying to find a perfect balance of soldiers and power.
i dont want 40 soldiers and a mjnolith ,nor do i want 10 scarabs and 10 soldiers.
Hmmm, I'll have a bumble over to the Chaos Marine forum for clarification on that one, maybe they can shed some light.
EDIT: Alright got the thumbs up for SGDs,
As for the monolith, 3 obliterators have a very good chance of knocking it off the board in the first or second turn with lascannon fire. Something you'll have to be careful with.
Tomb spyders are actually surprisingly powerful, I've always made great use of them. As I mentioned, Heavy Destroyers are something you're going to want for this battle to kill terminators, characters and oblits.
Also I believe Typhus and Abaddon are both capable of ripping the Nightbringer apart...so keep it in the obliterators or something.
EDIT: Another thought. Field Pariahs and flayed ones as opposed to the nightbringer. This will give you squads with enough bodies and attacks to kill Abaddon or Typhus. The number of bodies with warsythes will do better than on big body more than likely. Also the Flayed ones can act as a shieldto take hits, and extra attacks won't hurt either. Keep the unit backed up with a res orb lord.
Hi i play both necron and chaos, in the chaos codex there is no blood therster only in chaos deamons while the model can be used as a Greater deamon this unit does not take up any force organisation and has to be summoned from a aspiring champ, lord or socerer beacuse the greater deamon does not take up any force oranisation you can feild as many u have points for after having 1hq and 2troop
Side: Kendowned, you cannot field more than one greater daemon, because it's an 0-1 slot.
As for contending with this build, I have to say, it's not a very balanced list. He only has two troop slots, and his model count is bound to be incredibly low. Remember, the oblits are 4(5)T, so you can instant kill them with 8S weapons or greater.
Next, the greater daemon only has two possible models in which to be summoned on the table: the two plague marine champs (be sure he has champs, or else the greater daemon CANNOT be summoned at all). On this note, if you can take out the plague champs, then the greater daemon cannot be summoned and is destroyed. Obviously, the greater daemon cannot be summoned through the special characters. I only say this because some players have tried it (as costly as that is as far as points go).
Side: If for some strange reason he's using the older codex, then the bloodthirster cannot even be summoned, since the thirster can only come on the board through a model with the icon of Khorne (which this list has none).
Typhus: Has a force weapon as well. Just to keep in mind. Often, players forget about this.
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ah yeh sorry didnt read that bit on can only includue a single greater deamon, that ruins my freinds idea of a greater deamon heavy list