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Now before we get too involved a little background
1. My ex-wife has most of my models so I am stuck w/ 1 raider and 1 ravager, and taking everything to squeeze 2k points (scourges/mandrakes)
2. He had some cheese, 2 monoliths w/ 1 squad of destroyers behind each for deployment
Ok.. on with the post
I just got destroyed by necrons. So rather than rant, I need to find out how to beat them, and I am pretty sure he had some of his rules wrong. So lets cover that 1st..
A. Is monolith immune to crew stunned?
B. Sweeping advance, do ones that were down already get a Wbb? If the lord died in the advance can he use his orb for himself/squad?
C. Range for orb from the lord or the squad he is joined with?
Here's the lists..
2x 20 man necron squads
2x 4 man destroyer squads
2x Lords w/ gaze of flame/orb/unknown
DE (from memory so might not add up..)
-Bike -Punisher -Drugs -Torm helm -Shadowfield -Plasma
-Bike -Scissor -Destructor
-Succubus -Agonizer -Trophy rack -Wyche Weapons -Plasma -x2 Blaster
-Raider -Night shields -DL
Warriors x12 (3 squads)
-2x SC -2x Blaster
-Succubues -Agonizer -Trophy rack
Jetbikesx3 (2 squads)
-Succubus -Punisher -Torm helm -Trophy rack
- x2 blasters
-x3 Dissies -Night shield
Played for Objectives (5 of em 2 just out of my deployment 2 just out of his and one in center) Spearhead deployment
Deployed the Lord a hammie, the wyche raider, and 3 jetbikes on the far left flank DL squad on my left in some ruins with LOS on most of the board and capturing one objective, One footslogging squad just in front of them. In the center went the talos and the scourges behind low cover. Just right of them was the second footslogging squad and the ravager behind some trees on the right with the third warrior squad 1 hammie and a squad of bikes.
He deployed middle-myright 2x monoliths with the destroyers behind them.
I go first, Move Left flank up, turboboosting the bikes/all out the raider bikes/raider out of LOS Footsloggers move forward and then run into cover center field. Bikes on right turbo left of center mid field. Mandrakes move to contest his objectives later.. 5 dark lance shots at monolith... nothing.
He moves destroyers from behind mono's. Fires at right warrior squad x3 dead. (nice cover saves) Then puts 2x pie plate on em, center destroyers fire at same squad, 2 left, make ld.
I move warriors on right up around the cover they were behind. The 2 man squad moves onto hill in center on objective. Ravager moves for a shot at center destroyers (max range) Left flank is blocked by the moved monolith, bikes/raider move to center. Talos crosses mid field. Ravager fires.. 2 scatter way off. 1 barely hits 1... wound.. it comes back on his turn. DL warriors have no shot on destroyers, crew shaken on monolith.. (mono's immune?) and more inneffective shooting..
Targets arrive!! 1 squad of 20 and lord just left of center, and the second comes out of the portal in the right most mono.. (the lord is placed 2 inches+base from mono then squad is placed 6inches in front of him and lord is moved into squad... I dun think thats legal. The necron farthest from mon was about 13 inches..) Right squad rapid fires my closest jetbikes.. they die. Left squad RF a squad of warriors. 1/2 die. Right squad uses gaze of flame, the full squad of warriors on right flee 6inches. Pie platter on jetbikes/talos. Talos takes wound lose 2 bikes. Destroyers take out raider, 5 wyches die... pinned..
I rally my gazed troops, move jetbikes/hammies/talos rallied warriors toward right squad. Warriors on left move in to delay joined by the mandrakes, they shoot total of 3. Shooting sees 1/2 the warriors on the right down, and one on the left. Talos/foot hammie and warrior squad charge right squad. Lord charges the destroyers behind it. Talos takes wound from warscythe warriors/jetbike/talos deal 6 wounds. Necrons whiff, then run, then sweeping advance. Lord wipes destroyer squad. Warriors on right kill 4 lose one. Necrons make check.
He rolls wbb on the the swept squad, then portals them and RF my lord. He fails the save.. Mono shoots pie platter at now exposed troops. Most die, they run. Portals left squad, RF, mandrakes dead. At this point I conceded. I had objectives, but wasn't going to last. Portal+orb is crazy, and DE have no way of getting rid of it.. I am pretty sure that swept units are gone for good, and when he portaled them, that was it. If they had died I had over 50% of his necrons dead and I was in his lines.. might of made it.
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Eeep started out as a question on beating em, turned into battle report... can mod please punt it?
Oooh and let me know what I did wrong guys, I normally don't run warriors that heavy, and I am pretty sure I am not using them right...
B.) Sweeping advance doesn't kill the models, it removes them from the board and explicitly says that no special rules or saves may save the model, which includes WBB and rez orb. I generally see it played however that models killed prior to the sweeping advance may still make a WBB roll (assuming they're eligible). Also, per the FAQ range on a rez orb is checked when the models are initially killed. So if 5 die in CC from power weapons and a lord is in the squad with a rez orb, even if the lord gets removed in the sweeping advance the previously downed 'crons can still make their WBB (assuming a tomb spyder or like-model is within range as normal).
C.) Range is checked from the lord, just like any other character special ability.A couple things seriously wrong with what he did here, Necron Warrior squads entering play through the Monolith are literally disembarking from the Monolith-- they all have to be within 2'' of the access point. So putting them 6'' out and then moving them 6'' was totally illegal. I'm also not sure why he had the lord seperate, as far as I can tell there's nothing preventing him having the Lord joined to the squad in reserves and entering through the Lith.(the lord is placed 2 inches+base from mono then squad is placed 6inches in front of him and lord is moved into squad... I dun think thats legal. The necron farthest from mon was about 13 inches..) Right squad rapid fires my closest jetbikes.. they die. Left squad RF a squad of warriors. 1/2 die. Right squad uses gaze of flame, the full squad of warriors on right flee 6inches. Pie platter on jetbikes/talos.
The other big thing was if uses the Power Matrix ability to bring warrior squads in from reserve, or teleport another squad, he CANNOT fire the Particle Whip. You can do one of three things with the power matrix any given round:
1.) Fire it as a particle whip
2.) Bring in warrior squads from reserves as though disembarking from the Lith
3.) Teleport another Necron squad within a certain range and have them disembark from the Lith (which also allows failed WBBs to be rerolled)
So if he brought his Warriors in from reserve and then dropped pie plates the same turn he was cheating.Well if he weren't cheating that might've helped to But same thing here, if he portals the squads away he cannot fire the pie plates. Also, portal or not models that get caught in a sweeping advance are removed from play never to be seen again, goodbye so long we will miss you. If it can kill an 200pt eternal warrior it can kill a necron squad.He rolls wbb on the the swept squad, then portals them and RF my lord. He fails the save.. Mono shoots pie platter at now exposed troops. Most die, they run. Portals left squad, RF, mandrakes dead. At this point I conceded. I had objectives, but wasn't going to last. Portal+orb is crazy, and DE have no way of getting rid of it.. I am pretty sure that swept units are gone for good, and when he portaled them, that was it. If they had died I had over 50% of his necrons dead and I was in his lines.. might of made it.
Anyway, I don't know if this guy was new or just an ass, but he was breaking the rules left and right. My preferred method of dealing with players like that is Dreadsock, but if you think he's just new and ignorant maybe point him towards the Necron board here on LO, those guys are generally pretty cool about helping people figure out the tangle of Necron special rules