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O.k today I was at my store playing a few games when I came up against this eldar list now iplay csm and had a real tough time against it.
My list was
Chaos liutenant plas pistol power wepon d. strength d aura and d mutation mk udiv
5 possesed with demonic talons and rhino (the liutenant rides with these guys)
5 marines 1 heavy bolter, 1 plas gun
7 plauge marines 1 plas gun asp champ with ccwp d strength and nurgles rot
chaos pred with ac and lasconnon sponsons
dread with lascannon and flamer
seer council with 2 farseers 3 warlocks 2 singing spears and 3 witchblades
2 6 man guardian squad
3 warwalkers with starcannons
1 wraithlord with bright lance
It was 1200 points and the scernario was tectonic shift
First turn I shot the starcannon of one war walker with my dread moved the rhino up. he then annihilated the bezerkers from the warwalkers and tryed to mindwar some troops but failed. Turn 2 I immobilized another warwalker wounded the wraithlord with the predator and shot a plasma gun but missed. he then killed five of my pauge marines midwared my liutenant and killed him charged my possed with his avatar and killed them then the tectonics played up and swallowed a guardian squad up leaving only 2 members who promptley fled.
the wraithlord blew up my pred and then the warwalkers hit my dred and killed it two with that the game was over.
He was playing a black and bone craft world wich i think is biel-tan or something
any way can you tell me some of the weaknesses in the units he feilded because chances are that i am going to be playing him again very soon. As usual any tips or hints at all will be greatly appreciated.
P.s i know next to noting about the eldar craftworlds so I apologise if i get any names/units wrong
his list was illegal. and the most cheesylist i ahve EVER seen. and i ahve seen a really cheesy list. i would ahve faced this guy. i would have refused to play him. then procede to tell him he brings this game, and the eldar race down a notch.
2 minimum troops??!!! with heavy weaposn i assume!, then a wraithlord and 3 war walkers? cmon dood why did u even play him. there is allmost no chance of u winning. and its not your fault at all. its his dumbass for bring that list.
did his farseers take any psychic powers? because if he didnt thats cheating right there too since he MUST ahve one psychic power per farseer. and one warlock power be warlock.
the craftowrld he was playing was ulthwe. but dont pay him again. tell him i refuse to play u until u take a more balanced list.
but wen he does make a more balanced list. wraithlords weakness are snipers. because of their high toughness, snipers work VERY well against it.
the war walkers are onyl AV 10. so bolters can hurt them. the bane of war walkers are like predators with auto cannon and 2 heavy bolters on the side. especially if he is dumb enuf to take them as one squad, u can DESTRYO all his war walkers with ease with a predator, and ooops there goes 300 points of his army.
for the gaurdians. just shoot them with anything. they ahve a 5+ save and a toughness of 3. not many weapons are ineffective against this and wiht his LOW numbers in the squad, make him fall back very easily.
the avatars weakness is his speed. he is very slow. move/assualt 6". plus his save is only 5+ (inv) but enough shots and keep making him take saves. if u assalut him. his toughnes is 6 and he doesnt have many attacks so charging him would only be wise if he is weakened. and the pred would tear him a new ass hole.
the seer council is a beast of a unit. i mean BEST. they can possibly ahve 4+ re rollable inv saves(if he takes fortune psychic power) and they always wound anything on 2+'s. snipers are good here to, because if u can pin them and just stop them dead in their tracks. other then that. units with ALOT of attacks in cc and decnt strength can defeat these guys.
also i dont think your list is legal dood. u can not have plague marines and berserkers in the same list... :huh: are u nurgle?khorne? undivided? either wayu cant have them in the same list.
again refuse to play him until he makes a more balanced list.
<insert witty remark here>
I was undivided i forgot to mention i also had an 8 man unmarked cc squad sorry.
Yes he did take spells for his hq i think there was the re-roll armour (casted on avatar),mind war x2, re-roll to hit (which he kept casting on the warwalkers) and the cover save one.
Honestly i would LOVE to play a fair eldar list the only lists I have ever faced are this one, a maxed out ranger army for altoic (i think) which may be o.k as i hear it is fluffy but when you get about 30 sniper shots per turn in your face it *****es me off and the MOST cheesiest list i have ever faced some green-white craftworld with like 3 banshee squads, a Wraithlord, two of those pain in the a$$ eldar prisms, rangers and not 1 squad of guardians! I was massarcered by turn two... like this match!
P.S Although i would never use 3 elites in 1200 points I wanted to test the possesed and plauge marines out as i dont have enough points for pure nurgle... YET! (evil laugh)
That would be the biel-tan craftworld (the other one was be ulthwe, by the way), and yes they can be quite nasty. They basically get elites as troops and troops as elites. The downside to such a list is that it is very expensive to field (both points and money), and will often lack the protection afforded by a guardian shield. Aspect warriors are scary in their elements, but they are still Eldar......the MOST cheesiest list i have ever faced some green-white craftworld...
Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely...
but it rocks absolutely, too!
OKi diddly doki, how to beat the list:
Your first problem is you are tooled to take otu marines by the looks, plenty of las cannons and plasma weapons, Bezerks, toole dup Close combat squads, some of this stuff is very usefull against some eldar armies too, but not this one.
Against this list what you need:
a) HQ, you got a choice - brazen it out (mind war) but you probably will need a bigger HQ and the odds are still in his favour, or accept he is gonna mind war your HQ (IMHO probably the best solutions) and live with it, Accordingly I would replace the plasma pistol on the HQ with a bolt pistol
possessed - I would ditch them to be honest, he has vary few units they are effective against and they are a points sink.
c) troops: this is where you kill him. Take lower strength rapid firing heavy weapons, reapers autocannons, Heavy bolters, and loads of bolt guns. The theory is you shoot like mad
d) FA - stay clear - no point they cost too much
e) HS: you pred is too much ,he will drop it easily, if you must take one take Auto cannon with bolter sponsons but to be honest I woud drop. Dred I would drop also. For HS take a defiler with indirect fire and hoard of reaper armed havocs.
Then shoot like mad
Everything you have been told is a lie!
I could'nt customize the list it was a mini tourney and all the other armies were csm, sm and necron so yes i do take lots of ap2 and 3 wepons because they are my most numerours opponents. like i said i would only use possesed in larger games but i was testing them out (besides the look on the necron players face when my possesed, bezerkers and lietenant hit his only warroir squads and killed them all making him phase out was pricless )I beg to differ over the course of the 3 games I played they killed over 700pts of troops including a choas lord of khorne and 15 necron warriors.possessed - I would ditch them to be honest, he has vary few units they are effective against and they are a points sink.
Ah, that is different, in a tourney you are, in the majority of battles, gonnabe facing Chaos, marines or Necrons and it is common practice to tool your army accordingly, so no grief there, basically you are hitting on catch 22, the delight of eldar armies at tourneys, eg:
cost of a marine (imperial, I know chaos are cheaper but they generally have marks that make them more expensive) plus plasma gun: at leas 25 points.
Om average over 6 turns, if he is lucky the marine will kill 3 guardians (24 points) plus disarm himself (25 points) - as an eldar player it sounds good to me
There are stratergies you can use, but it depends on his play style and the battle being fought,
Everything you have been told is a lie!
Alright since nobody seems to be answering the question ill give it a shot.
Trying to beat the eldar with that army.
Set up your dread and pred so they are hull down and have a good field of fire. Possibly just set the dread behind the pred or the rhino.
Make sure the rhino doesnt block the preds line of site. Give the marine squad with the heavy weapon the same field of fire. The goal here is to make sure that all your heavy guns can hit his walkers which may be hard but go for it.
Set up the rhino at the very front of your depolyment zone and put the berzerkers behind it. Not sure what to do with the plague marines because they have to be away from everyone else due to rot.
First turn. March rhino and berzerkers forward. Shoot walkers with pred, dread, and marine's heavy bolter. Remember they are open topped so you kill them on a 5+ even if they are hull down and a 3+ otherwise.
Once the walkers are down try to throw the possesed at the wraithlord (they can take him) and the berzerkers will tear through anything else he has.
Also remember that if possible you can engage the walkers in CC and beat them with standard troops. At the very leaast this prevents them from firing.
you could try uses a defiler. one battle cannon shot would break at least 2 war walkers, 3 if your are lucky.
shoot the wraithlord, they are really hard to beat in close combat. the seer council might not be a problem since mind war can only kill 2.