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So I mentioned to some other gamers at my local shop that I was working on a dark eldar army, and was then told that dark eldar were cheesy (because of the shadow field specifically), I would lose opponents by playing them (because they're cheesy), that I only make cheesy army lists (I got cheese called for having four rhinos in a 1000 pt game), the only armies that I play are really obscure, weird ones (I also play witchhunters and wood elves for fantsy), and finally, that I should play a nice mainstream army like space marines!
Has this ever happened to anyone else? Are dark eldar really cheesy? And why are superhuman eunuchs better than sadistic, soul drinking alien pirates?
Last edited by InquisitorMatthias; April 13th, 2009 at 21:45. Reason: spelling
I think any army can have a "cheesy" army list, but I wouldnt categorize the DE as being cheesy in general. Let alone saying so just because of the shadowfield. Sounds like whomever suggested that had a bad experience playing against the DE once. I wouldnt worry about it at all.
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They are calling it cheesy because they do not understand, most likely.
The shadowfield is a nice piece of wargear, but it isn't the most amazing thing ever, and it costs.
As far as losing opponents, if lose the first several games (no offense meant, but there is a distinct possibility that anyone starting will lose several games, I've been playing almost a year and I still lose two games for every one I win), you probably will not.
At the absolute cheesiest, Dark Eldar are vicious, but you have to think a little outside the box. Are they calling it cheesy because most DE lists are mechanized?
Play mainstream? No thanks, for me. I get made fun of all the time, but I love being different. It's a great conversation topic if nothing else.
I only started DE recently but i have never ever been called cheesy nor for that matter ever heard DE and cheesy in the same sentence.
I'd guess it stems from:
plus an assortment of many other reasons which only one would be required to say DE are cheesy.
- a lack of understanding of DE.
- a lack of understanding of their own armies.
- a lack of understanding of what cheesy really is.
I've found that yes i can table my opponent by turn 4 or 5, but to do so usually requires a mixture of luck, mistakes on his or her part, or the occational 'skill' on my part. The latter being a rarety of the highest order!
But I cant think of an army list within reason that cannot do the same with any mixture of the above.
All in all the more they play you the easier it will become for them to spot your mistakes, weaknesses etc.
ps. if any of them play double lash CSM they are only jealous because they just wasted getting on for 300+pts of cookie cutting for nothing!
pss. any army that cant deal with 4 rhinos at 1000pts hasn't been thought through during the making of the list.
Last edited by stwess; April 13th, 2009 at 22:47.
Sounds like somebody got their *** handed to them by a dark eldar army once. Seriously I don't play dark eldar but I have got say I was slaughtered by a dark eldar army (damn shadowfield) but guess what, we had a rematch same lists and I won so that guy better shut up. Oh and I lost because i was stupid and abondoned my plan, when I won I stuck to my plan and it all payed off.
Lets go massacre something
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Classically it means repeated units across an armies composition, things like 3 basilisks or spammed to the max drop pods. The list is optimized to include the most of what is considered the best as often as possible. That’s cheese.
And you have been deemed cheesy due to having a one of piece of unique wargear that has a singular use in the game? Strange.
I can see more of a point with the use of four Rhinos (just) and have seen tournaments penalize players with army composition scores being lessened as a result of it, but with the use of a piece of wargear?
Tell them to get a life and get on with the game.
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Dark Eldar have potential for cheese. One of the strongest tourney lists making the rounds these days is the chaos double lash prince, 3 dread, 3 defiler lists. Crazy difficult for most armies to beat.
Dark Eldar can potentially field... 28 dark lances? EZ mode.
Ork biker nob army troubling you? Strongest at your local game store? Dark Eldar can laugh at it.
We have the potential to just take absurd numbers of dark lances and beat other builds which are "competitive".
That being said, if you *don't* take a million dark lances, Dark Eldar are far from cheesy!
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Almost every army has its pitcular builds that are cheesy. I like to think that Dark Eldar are kinda like the nemesis enforcer they keep other cheese in checkwithout being over cheesy themselves.
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Cheesy apparently means different things to different people. To me, using it to describe an army roster is ridiculous. Cheesiness means overdone or exploitative to me, and I have yet to find any army that is not unique in some way and isn't beatable with proper strategy & tactics.
If some want to say that using that spamming good units is cheesy, or more properly, boring, I say that it is only the way the games are being played that results in boredom. Mix things up a little, don't pressure people to give up on their lists!
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Lets address this in a logical manner-
1) Your opponents seem to know nothing (rhinos cheesy at 1K? Lol wut)
2) DE are "cheesy" (if you believe such a term is real) if you play marines.
3) DE are not cheesy if you don't.
In my games, unless i'm against a SM vet my DE are like a lorry hitting a child at 70mph.
DE are the best counter in the game to power armoured forces and small number elite armies in general.