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I have played Necrons, CSM and Daemons and collecting/painting is my favourite thing about warhammer.
I have never played a horde army and I'm thinking maybe I should try out nids for a change so I ask you
Are 'Nidz fun to paint?
Are they fun to play?
Are they competitive?
Can anyone give me a sample army list for a 'Nid starter?
Is a Hive Tyrant worth it?
Last edited by Chaos Sorcerer Gir; June 17th, 2009 at 05:41.
Depends on how you paint. The models have high detail and are very organic (as you might have guessed). I find painting nids to be very different then every other army. Most nid players never touch a metailic paint to paint their models. They can be a bit tedious in the troop are, but what army isn't. Also, the variety within units is at a minimal. Unlike marines, there's not much justification for embellishing models (like purity seals, or trophies) as you are essentially painting animals.Are 'Nidz fun to paint?My other army is space marines. I find nids to be more enjoyable to play due to the necessary strategy. No unit stand alone in the nid army (with the exception of possibly a flying tyrant). They all have to work together or the army crumbles. It took nearly 10 games with my nids before I figured out the synergy between units and got my first win with them.Are they fun to play?I consider them fairly competitive. The codex is starting to show its age since every new codex seems to be getting more benefits for their troops at the same price. I don't think you'll see many large tournament wins with them, but they can still put the fear in your opponent.Are they competitive?Check out the army list section. If you're looking to buy models right now I recommend buying two of the $90 battle force box sets. That'll give you enough models to do a decent 750-1000 pt list. From there get a zoanthrope or three and a hive tyrant.Can anyone give me a sample army list for a 'Nid starter?Probably the single most important unit in the codex. I've seen lists without HTs, but they really hold an army together. I use two in my lists. My flying dakka tyrant usually causes my opponents quite a few headaches. The build goes like this: HT, toxin sacs, enhanced senses, wings, 2x TL Devourers, flesh hooks, warp field. Costs 200 pts.Is a Hive Tyrant worth it?
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1. I find nids to be extremely easy to paint personally. my first army was eldar and they are significantly harder. i think coming from marines though its going to be harder though, a chimp can paint marines with a level of efficiency.
2. nids require alot of mind games and strategy to play well. they are incredibly fragile (bolter rounds can drop almost every nid if they arent upgraded with extended carapace) but you have some units that are so wonderful they make other armies jealous and have to try specifically to take out while the rest of your crew causes havoc.
3. i would say nids have a huge drawback that keeps them from being as competative as they could be... lack of tank busting. our best weapon can only glance vehicles, and glancing is garbage. people always throw out "oh but your melee units can rip up armor" but you have to get to the tank first for that. our units point for point cost a ton more than any other army, as well. an ork boy costs far less than a hormagaunt, for better stats. we get leaping sure, but less attacks and survivability. for way more points. i think thats silly. i also think its silly how much upgrading is required to get a genestealer on par with ANY melee unit of ANY other army. to get them in a competative state it requires 25 points per stealer. rediculous. they have the benefit of being considered troops however.
4. is the hive tyrant worth it? hes a driving force by himself. he can and has single handedly determined the outcome of battles for me. almost all of them, actually. i recently did a game where i used both eldar and tyranid together vs 2 armies, and when i asked "which army did i do better with?" they said the hive tyrant alone was enough to sway it tward nids.
nids are very enjoyable unique army, able to unleash serious potency on any infantry heavy army. but against tanks... useless.
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Guess I'll throw my opinions into the hat as well:
1. Personally, I think nids are a lot of fun to paint, and not terribly difficult either. They don't have a lot of little details that require different colors. Not that you couldn't add those in yourself if you want to, but the army can basically be done by a lot of drybrushing.
2. Nids can of course be both shooty or focus on CC. However, no matter what type of nid army you want to use, their general strategy is still going to heavily involve moving many things at your opponent. Tyranid ranged weapons tend to have a relatively short range to them, and their army can't really function as a defensive army hanging out on objectives. If you like the idea of sending a big mass of terror at your opponent, then yes nids are fun to play.
3. I'm not the best person to answer the competitive question, but I will say that tyranids made the transition to 5th ed fairly well, certainly better than necrons did. Their biggest problem right now is that some of their stuff is too expensive to be worth it.
4. You can make a fine starter list from either of the boxed sets. Both the battleforce and the assault swarm are excellent deals that come with all the units you'll need. The assault swarm especially is a fantastic bang for your buck. If you got that and a Tyrant you'd be set. If you wanted to keep it cheaper for now I'd suggest the battleforce and a tyrant, maybe another set of gaunts. If you want to save yourself some trouble, magnetize the fex in that battleforce. That way it can fit whatever role you need it to.
5. My winged devourer tyrant is far and away the best single thing in my army. It almost always earns its points back and I can use it to essentially kill whatever I want. I cannot recommend one of these beasts enough. Even walking tyrants can be real monsters.