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So, I was glancing through Imperial Armour Apocalypse and saw the rules for the Raven, and thought to myself "That doesn't look too bad really..." and also noticed that it classed as a Heavy Support.
Now, I was wondering: if I were to get one (READ: Will get one, they are smexy), would it be fair to use in regular games? My opponents wouldn't really mind me trying it out, I've fielded a Malanthrope and Red Terror with my Nids occasionally and they didn't upend the game too much. I'm aware it's a flyer, but it's over 200 points for a single (admittedly accurate) Dark Lance shot and a splinter cannon burst, and if anything does hit it it's very likely to die.
So if anyone's fielded one, or has thought about it, what do you reckon? Would it be entertaining and reasonably balanced to field in regular 40k?
Anything is permissable with your opponent's prior approval.
(WH40K) Dark Eldar - (12,000pts) Sisters of Battle - (5000pts) Dark Angels -(3500pts) (WHFB) Dark Elves - (10,000pts) Beastmen - (5000pts) Empire - (3000pts) Wood Elves - (1500pts)
do you have any pictures?
Of the raven? Sure, here's the one off Forge World: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/IAD001.jpg
As I said, I don't have one yet, but will probably do something like that colour wise, only blue instead of purple.
I know you can field anything with Opponent's permissions, but what I want to know is if I were to field it, assuming I had permission, in a regular 40k game, would it be a fair fight? Would it zip around, gunning tanks down every turn and being nigh-on unkillable, or would it just get pinged out of the sky the moment Orks train their 800 guns or Sisters point the Exorcist at it? Am talking about the Apoc rules for both it and flyers here. I really do want to get one, but want to be able to use it, and not just keep it on my shelf and take it for the rare apoc game when I'm not using Nids. Was thinking of using it in regular 2000 point games, so it would have plenty of things able to kill it. I asked about it on the Tyranid Hive, and the general consensus there was that most armies wouldn't have too much of a problem with it, if not all.
I don't want to convince you not to buy one, I bought one for the same reason as you, because I think they look awesome, that being said, it is nowhere near broken, seeing as it is what 225 points? You are really paying over 200 points for a dark lance, and that is that. Believe it or not it is not all that difficult to roll a six and the first time you get hit it is probably toast.
On another note, the Dark Eldar craft first appaeared in Imperial Armor II and the Raven that is for 205 points in the Imperial Armour Apocalypse book is for Apocalypse ONLY. That is, in a normal game your raven costs more points to field and does not get impossible manoeuvre (I think that is in Apocalypse only) or cutting edge.
So if there is an opponent that would rather you field 2 ravagers than 1 flying dark lance that has to roll for reserves to come in, they are crazy. Just showing up at a tournament it might not be accepted being forge world but anyone who knows what it is capable of will allow it.
Like I said, I didn't want to sound negative, it can or can not perform well with dice luck just like ANY other model, but your points are better spent elsewhere. Despite that, I think dark eldar players are probably playing this race because they want to play how they want anyway and if a cool flyer is what you want on the table, go for it, thats why I field one!
That being said, the Raven really shines in Apocalypse games. Being able to cross the table fast and snipe at enemy armor isn't a weakness in our normal games but it can be hard for us to get across quick in Apoc, and fielding 3 of these in a Raven Murder Squadren makes for some good tank hunting. (I field between 3-5, using my real model for the command and I proxy the rest with crappy plastic airplanes, I ain't buying 5 of these things)!