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I jut started Dark eldar ( I got alot of free stuff from a friend who no longer plays them) and so far for the two games I've played, I've been lucky enough to go first but I was wondering how to deal with the first turn barrage of shooting if I go second, I'm worried half my army will be gone right away if I dont get to move first.
Don't be worried,you can hide your vehicles behind terrain,aslong as they can't see you they can't shoot at you,i remember having this same trouble before this seems to solve the problem although it depends on the type of terrain and where it's placed.
And if you lack terrain make your own. If you turn a raider sideways you have enough space to hide 2 raiders side by side behind it. If you stack em deeper you can get even more. Between this tactic and nightshields I rarely lose more then 1-2 raiders in the opening turn and they are never important ones.
You can always try putting everything in reserve. This works especially well if you're concerned about drop pod assaults with meltas. In several ways it lets you control the pacing of the game, reduces the amount of time you have to be shot up, and gives DE speed and firepower a chance to shine. It's got some significant disadvantages if your army comes in too piecemeal however, and so doesn't always pay off. But, if you know you're going to be facing lots of drop pod meltas or heavy anti-tank fire that you can't weather, it's a good option.
Yeah, the all-deepstrike army really doesn't cut it. My friend played an all-deepstrike list once, but the raiders come in so piecemeal that all the firing gets focused. You die far too quickly.
I actually play a jetbike heavy list, so I deploy very far back to avoid getting shot at and turbo-boost into position in my first turn, after their turn, so I can get where I want to be safely. Also got a few large footslogger warrior squads to hide at the start. I think I have one raider and one ravager. Night shield the ravager, and keep both out of los of as many things as possible. My Archon is a lone shadowfield footslogger, with a punisher and drugs to let her leap out of nowhere and butcher squads - her size makes her very easy to keep out of LoS.
The Nightmare Doll is something you should consider, although the interpretation of debatable - get a general opinion from your gaming group before using it. We believe it now affects the dice for first turn, but it can be argued either way, and I can't be bothered going into it here. But if you use homunculi, it's worth them taking one (my haemys are on bikes, so the doll will only wound them on a 6...)
these are good suggestions but usually we dont have too much terrain that could block a raider completely from line of sight ( of course the cover saves help) also in regards to the nightshield, is that just meant to protect from regular troop fire? because that 6" doesnt seem like it will help against most anti tank weaponry
Going second is never too much trouble for me. If in Dawn of War... dont deploy and move onto the table. Depending on what you face you -might- keep everything in reserve, to negate shooting and opponents turns. This does not mean deepstrike, just keep things off the table and have them move in later... I usually deploy my 12 tanks on the table and my opponents might kill a few but I have more than enough to continue the game with, and remember 1/6th of the time you can still go first by stealing the innitiative! Oh and in Dawn of war... thats 1/3rd of all games, going second does not really matter as you come on to the table moving!
Be careful before deciding to put everything into reserve. I have yet to do this and I have yet to regret not doing it. Even against drop pod marines its better to have all your stuff on the field to completely annhilate what drops and then destroy the rest peicemeal then to slowly drift onto the field a little at a time. The few loses you take early on are more then compensated for by the overwhelming firepower you can bring to bear.
Meh, I lose more when I go second and win more when I go first.
To replay to the original post, yes you will get your ass shot off going second and your raiders will die and there will be much sadness. Mostly if you are fighting Tau or Imperial Guard.... other races... who cares if they go first that is just 6-12 inches they are closer to you.
Last edited by VitalSpark; July 23rd, 2009 at 23:25.