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Hi guys im loking at firelding the following in a 1500 point list.
yes it contains eldrad, its a competition list.
falcon with bright lance.
5 fire dragons
falcon with bright lance
3 warithguard, warlock, conceal
the main point to either unit is to pop tanks, the wraithguard are more expensive, but i have the points for either unit.
im looking at, the fire dragons hae the advantage in taking out most tanks, but a disadvantage in terms of what to do afterwards (normally die)
the wraithguard, whilst small are able to pop liths a lot more easily than fire dragons, and can withstand shooting a bit better, as well as granting fearless to eldrad, and making them a toughtness 6 unit for being shot at purposes.
id like your thoughts on both please. the difference in points is 65 less for the fire dragons.
You cannot put wraithguard in a falcon tank, unfortunately.
If you REALLY want to take the wraithguard, drop the Falcon and take a wave serpent. Put a pair of bright lances on there, and you'll have no problem carrying everything.
Last edited by cKerensky; July 30th, 2009 at 23:00.
p**s. your right
back, to square one.
i could, feasibly, drop the falcon at 180, buya wave serpent with brightlances at 135, buy a 4th wraithguard, and upgrade something else in the army.
full list to follow i reckon.
are bright lances the best for the wave serpent, they went with the falcon as lovely addition to the pulse laser, but im thinging perhaps EML is a better choce on a WS
Fearless to eldrad is nice, but think of how expensive that SINGLE falcon is gonna be. The falcon plus eldrad alone is 335 before any enhancements. It's my experience that falcon's and brightlances aren't a good match. The BS 3 on a falcon hurts too much. You can guide with eldrad, which isn't a terrible choice other than the fact that you can do it MUCH cheaper with a guide seer. Another thing is that if you put the lance on the falcon, you don't want to take it anywhere near where the firedragons are going to be going. I like falcons and fire dragons, i think that they are a good match, a lot of people will disagree with me, however if you want fire dragons in a falcon that's fine.
The bigger problem you have with this debate is that wraithguard can't go in falcons, they can go in waveserpents, but not falcons. If you don't transport your wraith guard they are never gonna get there. EVER. 6" movement and a 12" single shot makes em very expensive for a very low attack rate and firing rate. Plus, if there are only three models there a round of las fire is more than like going to take one of em out, and then you are left with 2. Dedicating eldrad to a squad with so very little killing potential ain't so hot either. If you are going to spend 210 points on a model you need to make sure that he is always saving an entire unit with fortune AND mowing another down with doom, AND using guide/doom/fortune again. Since two of those only have a 6" range it means that the wraith guard are going to be receiving most of the love, and it ain't worth it for a unit that AT BEST can only kill 6 models a turn, but typically will only kill one.
But anyway, don't give the falcon the lance if dragons are inside. That goes under the category of putting all of your anti-tank eggs in a basket, not to mention that if you buy a lance you better be shooting it every single turn to try and get your moneys worth out of it. But if the falcon has dragons inside you'll want to be very certain that it gets close, which means you'll more than likely be going flat out for a turn, costing your self point efficiency. Put things like brightlances on something you KNOW won't ever be missing a round of shooting, like a shooty wraithlord, a back line wave serpent, or (heaven forbid) guardians or warwalkers.
In regards to the list I would think that eldrad is pretty huge for 1500 points. You can get a fortuneseer and a fiveman council for 5 points more than eldrad. With eldrad what are you paying for? A bunch of spells with 3 casts, (which is GREAT, but you can still get three casts out of two seers for less), two swings of a nice power weapon, toughness 4, and 3+ invuln. An incredible deal for sure, but how much of that are you making the most of by putting him in a transport? If you buy an expensive model make sure that you aren't only using 60 pts worth of him.
Anyway hope it helps
I believe Eldrad could be a handicap in a 1500 pt list. Too expensive.
Even if wraithguard could go in falcons, I would still take Fire Dragons.
Eldar -APOC- 6500 Points
Chaos Daemons -Fate Crusher- 3500 Points
Grey knights - 1000 Points
the use of eldrad ina 1500 pt tournament list isnt in question. he is an absoloute monster.
i was specifically trying to replace my council in this list overall, ill put the WG in a wave serpent instead and spend the extra points on more WG
The reason why I suggested BLs on the wave serpent is simply based upon what I assumed you'd be using it for. If its for tank hunting, the BL will be better off.
On the Falcon tank, actually, the BL isnt -that- good, as the tank is only a pathetic BS 3. Scatter Lasers or Shruiken Cannons go best on that.
For the Wave Serpent, though, the lances are twin linked, which will usually hit another vehicle just fine.
Most of the time, I equip the transport to assist their contents in what they do. If they're fire dragons, I'll almost always take Bright Lances for that extra punch. If close combat, scatter lasers.
But, after saying all that, Eldar Missile Launchers are still fine on a Wave Serpent. S8 AP3, or S4 AP4, Blast, is nothing to sneeze at.
fire dragons due to their range are close combat range. This means you will turboboost around. that`s why it was suggested not to put BL on dragons serpent. I ussualy go SC or SL on these and BL/EML on avenger/guardian serpents
for OP if you keep the dragons i`m suggesting to find another unit for Eldrad to babysit.
Maybe a scorpion unit/banshee.
Last edited by niraco; July 31st, 2009 at 08:36.
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i have the 2 fire prisms in the list, and 3 DA squads in wave serpents, so really it was a complimentary unit for dedicated anti-tank i was after, i reckon ill try the warithguard as eldrad with DAs is slightly pointless, as i can doom their target from 24" away anyway.
thanks for the help
In my opinion you should never mount WG since they are T6 3+ save posibly concealed and fortuned - they wont go down and a wave serpents protection would be wasted.
5 WG + warlock costs 200pts. 10 firedragons with exarch, all powers and pike costs less.
the differnce is that dragons are weak and need the transport, WG can walk and survive.