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Hi all, I'm here to tell you a tale about a brand new player to the WH40k world. Yes, I'm well into my 20s, and yes, I somehow managed to make it through a childhood of WotC and White Wolf and gods know what else without ever touching upon the wonderful world of "my little plastic men can beat up your little plastic men."
I intend to correct this mistake.
Coupla points: I've played Dark Heresy for a while, and I've read a lot of the Black Library stuff, so I am relatively well versed in the lore. I know practically nothing about the tabletop game mechanics. Learning the rules and such, that's easy. I'm a smart guy and I've been playing various simulators for various things my entire life (RPG, Video Game, etc.). Moving on...
I've been playing for a few weeks with my buddy's Chaos army. Fun, but not me. Won one or two, lost a whole lot more. Anyway, it's time for me to get meself my own army and stop mooching off my friends (though, one could argue, that is why they are there).
Trouble is, I've taken quite a shine to the Eldar. Something about them strokes me in just the right way. Everyone at the store I play at however, including my buddy who knows waaaaaay more about the game than me, operates under the common consensus that Eldar suck. Rumor is that they've never won a game in this store, that they can't hold their own against most armys (4+ armor save, WHY?) etc, etc, etc. I'm sure if I poked around on this board long enough, I'd see most of the arguments I've already heard.
Everyone who has seen them win goes "well, it's one of the hardest armies to play, you really have to know what you're doing." Well crap. I don't. And I won't for a long time.
I don't want to buy up some other army to learn the game, because it's expensive and I don't have a money tree in my backyard (we had to cut it down to make room for the bbq pit).
Sooo.... What chance does an utter 40k newbie have with an Eldar, and how do I begin to go about building an army list from such a varied source?
Thanks for the help guys!
my gf is starting an eldar army and she's pretty much the least tatically inclined person there is
so i would say obviously buy the models that interest you the most in the race(for her, harlequins) no matter how hard they are to use. if you like them, you'll suffer the learning how to use them(it's just the facts).
next get the stuff you need to get (HQ and 2 troops) farseer and dire avengers is the best "catch-all" way to go because they're basic to use but are still very usefull and can be customized and outfitted to a more specific role in the long run
then from there you start building around the way you want to play. if you prefer shooting a lot get into dark reapers and fire prisims. if you prefer close combat get harlequins or banshees. if you want fast attack go with a bike army.
if you like the army enough and you enjoy painting enough it doesnt matter how hard it is, you'll make it work and you'll learn.
so to reiterate on how to get going and what to buy first:
get the models you like the most(to keep you interested)
get the HQ and Troops so you can start playing games
then build as you see fit(and dont be afraid to ask these questons again at this step)
and seriously EFF the people you play with. dont let them hate on any race, if you like eldar you'll figure out how to play them. and you straighten you out: they're hard for a newbie because they're complex but they are in NO WAY a bad army
edit: but they can hate on space marines as much as they want
I am a veteran 40k player and been playing for over 10 years, just starting my eldar forces now. They are different to use, not difficult but different.
You have to rely on combination of high rate of fire with very rapid movement to get your guns where you need them most. Unlike my slow armies (inquisition, marines) eldar are moving around the table with a speed of "Whoosh".
For starters, I agree with Kelter Skelter, just buy models you like (2 troops +1 HQ) and just have fun with them. I would recomment bikes and dire avengers in a serpent and a farseer, that would make a very mobile force with lots of dakka.
Eldar start to shine at 1000 and up, I believe, but at around 500 points you would do fine. One thing Im relearning about my current army is that eldar can win last turn just by flying to the objectives, so you have to spend extra attention to be aware where your forces will be at turn 5/6/7. You may not be the shootiest army, but very close to being one, but you are surely the fastest. And even though you wont win though you guns blazing and popping a cap in everything in sight you will be able to outrun them to your victory.
Hope my experiences as a new eldar player helps you a bit as well.
Yes, I know the party line. Play what makes you happy and all, but I also know that I won't be happy if the army isn't competitive. Seems like a lot of things are just unnecessarily fragile, like IG but way more expensive. What's the point of throwing up a lot of points just to have it gunned down in the first turn?
Also, what's the consensus on wraithlords? I freakin love the model, but the board seems split on whether they are useful.
if i ever build an eldar army of my own it'll be packed full of wraithlords and wraith guards
i just think they look so damn cool, i dont care if they aren't the best unit.
in fact i just bought a wraithlord on ebay and i dont even play eldar
cant say much on how they play. just saying they're awesome.
and yes the eldar are competative. in fact pretty much every army is if you build it right. even DE and necrons have their moments
Comparing to my sisters force where I moved slowly towards the objectives guns blazing, eldar are very different in play style.
Eldar are competitive, most armies are, usually the problem lies between the gameboard and the chair/stool etc.
I can argue that DE are one of the most competitive armies right now. When they separated from the rest of eldar they seemed to have taken all the bright lances renaming them dark.. and have actually took time to train shooting them.
They mix incredible speed with very high rates of lance fire and amazing melee capability... insane!
Wraith lords are very good in a gunline force.. a little too slow for my taste but models are amazing and can pack a punch.
im considering switching from necron to DE
They are very fragile to enemy fire, but tear everything to pieces in CC.
Just proxy an army sometime, it is very interesting to play.
Eldar do have a bit of a learning curve because they don't have the meq statline and most units only work well against select targets. They are still a competitive army, if people are all playing tourny level lists you may end up needing to make a mech army ( I personally feel this is our strongest build ) to go toe to toe with them. Use the speed of eldar to get the specialists to their targets, try to support units and the eldar can really shine.
Wraithlords are great models and work good on the table top they are a bit on the decline lately because of the rise of mech armies and the lords not being able to keep up. If you run a hybrid list they can stay near the firebase adding some heavy weapons and scaring stuff away from the firebase.