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My last post about cover save got me thinking about this.
True line of sight is kinda lame... does any one else agree.
I think i liked it before where if you can see the models base you can shoot it not if you can see the model. Models that are big or are customized have a harder time to hide.
I am not an IG player but i can feel their pain with this rule.
Take for example the new valkyrie. Cool model. Lets just leave it at base cost what ever that is. Ok at this point it is basicly a flying chimera. But since it has about 8 inches wing span and is 6 or so inches off the ground you cant hide it ever, so everything in range can take their shots at it most of the time without even a cover save. So, its probally cheaper point wise and cost to use chimera and it would live longer.
Uhh Wings dont count for LOS
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Yeah you have to see the hull or turret, so it's a smallish target. True LoS is amazing, not being able to shoot through 2" of woods was terrible in 4th Ed. True LoS was a huge boost to shooting armies and running was a good compensation for assault armies. I don't agree with a lot of GWs Codex decisions, but their rules are very solid and fair.
I don't mind true LOS much either. It lets me take advantage of the P.O.V. of the models and play with cover myself.
The only thing I personally don't like about TLoS (true line of sight) is when you make conversions with the body either being larger or isn't directly on the base. For example: http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b193/Zz43/p1_sm.jpg
This Lictor is now far more easily spotted due to it's awesome base/diorama.
Of course, the easiest way to fix this is to agree with your opponent as to where it should be spotted from. Then again, I've met many players who are willing to take any little vague wording or unclear rule to use for their own advantage no matter the spirit of the game.
Other then that, yeah, I love TLoS.
I'd be willing to meet someone half way for such an awesome conversion. Most people don't convert minis like that though, at least ones they intend to play with. That's more of a Golden Demon entry, you don't usually see something so pretty on a tabletop.
I actually converted a giant slithering Carnifex out of an Inquistor Genestealer and a Ravener. It's notably taller than a normal Carnifex, and with its back mounted cannons, hangs off the base. However, most people I play with are wowed by the model and are willing to substitute a regular sized Carnifex in the rare occurance of whether its in LOS or not.
Never had a problem before, maybe I'm just lucky.
I had converted some warriors into a hunched down position to simulate them preparing to leap across the battlefield. I love how it looks. However the height of the warriors in question is about that of a gaunt.
With that said, I've never had an issue with it. I'll mix in standing warriors and we agree that it's normal warrior height. Most players are more than happy to meet half-way on conversions and stick with the expected height of the general model. If they're not and doing it to try to get an advantage, well, they're not the kinds of people you'll enjoy playing against either way.
It's good to hear everyone else having good half-way results with true line of sight. I guess I've just experienced people behaving the other way far too much.
At this junture I feel obligated to dispel a couple of myths quoted so far.
TLOS was in 4th, 3rd, 2nd and probably 1st. This issue has been going on for years. The difference between 4th and 5th is the removal of area terrain as a source of material to hide troops behind.
You always checked to see if you could shoot the model. You never aimed at a base. You check range from the edge of your base to the enemy but you never "only had to see the base". Think about it. A small twig can hide a base! If you were behind the smallest barricade no one could see you because your base was hidden. There is no cylinder aiming.
Wings. Wings are part of the hull of a Valkyrie, So if you can see a wing you can shoot the model. Same with a flying tryrant. I normally talk to my opponent about that before a game and try to getthem to discount mywings as they are rediculously large, that said if they don't I just decide to demolish them worse...
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