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Ok so i know that "Orks reproduce through the release of spores, which grow into a plant-like womb underground that nourishes the bodies of the various Orkoid species. Orks release spores through out their lives, but release them particularly at the moment of death. Without a nearby population of Orks, the fungus will eventually start the Ork life cycle anew".
I also know that "during a Tyranid invasion the Tyranids release clouds of microscopic Mycetic Spores which are used to blanket a planet during the latter days of a Tyranid planetary assimilation. These spores Accelerate plant growth, this helps in reclamation of organic materials in the soil".
My question is how would the Tyranids Myscetic spores affect the population of a planet that already has a fairly established Ork population? since orks are part fungal part animal and they grow and gestate in a similar way to a plant for me common sense says that the Tyranids Myscetic Spores would kick Ork population growth into overdrive eventually leading to a very good brawl between the bugs and da boyz.
anyone else have any ideas or comments?
The ork growth cycle is fast, but not as fast as the Tyranid. It really will come down to the numbers and tactics of each race, the winner having a huge jump in population. I was reading the tyranid book, and they mentioned a couple things such as if two tyranids fight, the outcome is a larger force with the strengths of both at almsot no loss of resources (bio-matter). If orks are overwhelmed, their genetic strengths and genetic knowledge would insanely boost tyranids if the nids were victorious.
but im not asking if this is a Nids vs Orks who would win. im asking what affect people think the Tyranid Mycetic Spores would have on the Orks? personally i think it would make them grow faster, in larger numbers and in larger size due to the fact that they are part fungus but thats just me. this isnt about who would win and who wouldent
but then that brings up the question as to if the tyranid spores are a poison or stimulant? i dont think they are because that would make them counter productive as it would kill the flora of the planet. and the orks do not have a immune system per say but instead the fungus in their blood breaks down poisons but i think the spores would affect the orks in their gestation period.
also as far as to if its important that the orks or nids win i dont think it is. on Lexicanum.com )dont know if its like wikipedia and people can edit it) i came across a tyranid assimilation time line given below. in the timeline it says that the tyranid spores are released on day 00 but that the primary consumption dosent take place until day 51. this makes sense in that it would allow the spores to have their full affect and cause the local flora to grow as much as possible therefor insuring maximum biomass harvesting
Day 00: Initial mycetic spores are dropped, generally containing Lictors or Genestealers. Infiltration force led by a synapse creature of some kind; reproduction of Tyranid creatures likely begins immediately.
Day 09: By day 9, Tyranids will have expanded to around 200 km from the drop point, and will likely present a significant threat to planetary defence forces troopers and resident Imperial Guard.
Day 13: Tyranids will have expanded to 700 km from the drop point; may begin infesting local water sources.
Day 37: Tyranids control area within 2000 km radius of the drop point; basolithic infestation to 5000 km radius.
Day 48: Tyranid population growth skyrockets, with population doubling approximately every 2.5 days.
Day 50: Main Hive Fleet arrives, craft generally numbering around 1.5 billion. Psychic contact with planet is cut off by the shadow of the Hive Mind. Any attempts to escape are quickly stopped by the Hive Fleet.
Day 51: Primary consumption of bio-mass begins (resistance has generally been eliminated by day 51). Brood ships land, releasing Ripper swarms, which consume all remaining organic material and depositing them at the reclamation pools. Capillary towers (and the Brood ships) send the material into orbit.
Day 80: The hive ships descend into the upper atmosphere and begin collecting it. Reduction in atmospheric pressure causes oceans to boil away, which are also collected. Lack of oceans causes plate tectonic shifts, dramatically increasing volcanic activity. Upon completion, the Hive Fleet re-enters the Warp, in search of fresh prey.
Last edited by Jarl Bloodwolf; December 1st, 2009 at 17:56.
The way I see it is Tyranid spores change the environment to benefit them thus changing it at a genetic level. So the spores may or may not be strong enough to effect ork DNA. So in other words I don't really see Tyranid flora helping orks as nids usually engineer there stuff from planet to planet anyways. So they could possibly even slow down ork's breeding process instead.
Is it me or does any other necron player get annoyed when they see people saying "Necrons eat souls". How is that even possible as souls are part of the warp and necrons want nothing to do with it? Eh probaly me just me being picky.
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with respect i dont think thats the case. i think that the spores are like the alien version of miracle grow and cause a planets flora to grow at an exponential rate. i dont believe that this alters the floras genetic make up or the DNA of the matter which is consumed. i dont think this is how it works due to the fact that the tyranids can rapidly evolve to suit combat in a certain environment or against a certain enemy and mostly this rapid evolution is possible by absorbing the genetic material of the subject. if the spores altered the DNA of the subject then the tyranids would not be recieving new genetic material.
also as another fasit of this topic what if the spores could mutate the orks (i dont think they could) and made tyranid enginered and controled orks? crab claws for power claws, scything talons for choppas? orks with gaunt like heads? scaley growths for eavy and mega armour? what about that to
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Interesting idea. If the spores accelerated the growth and size of the orks then the Nids would get a really cool genetic upgrade upon completion of the consumption of the planet. This would go well with the fluff that says that the tyranids and Orks became bigger and stronger while they were fighting in the worlds that Kryptman pointed them at. Although this was attributed to the fighting being strong and the orks getting bigger because of that.
Dont know about the genetically engineering orks with the spores idea. Genestealer cult orks anyone?
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If you follow the fluff, the biovore is supposed to originate from orc DNA. In fact the smiling biovore looked like an orc in the face.
Additionally one of the past two nid codex, can't remember which one, details the tyranid infestation cycle. They state that the local vegetation and plant life is altered to better support the nid invasion with the plantlife and air itself becomes hostile to the native life forms. If anything I'd say the tyranid bioforming stage would assault the ork spores on a genetic level. In theory this could result in stronger orks as the ones who survive are the tougher specimines. However I don't think it would be a large population growth of orcs, more of a "weeding out of the weak".