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There's obviously need for some GW clarification on the Tank Shock / Ramming rules. Are they the same action but have different ways to handle each?
If a Battlewagon has a Deff Rolla, can it ram another vehicle?
The battlewagon is a tank, and the Deff Rolla rules don't say that it cannot ram. The rules only mention how to handle DoG attacks. Also the rules state "Any Tank Shock made... causes D6 S10 hits". The other thing that makes me think that the Deff Rolla can be used against other vehicles (tanks) is the intention of GW. The last line of the fluff in the Ork Codex says, "A Krusha's driver will spend much of the battle steamrolling enemy infantry and light vehicles..."
When an enemy unit decides to DoG a Battle wagon are the second set of D6 hits applied at the same time as the DoG attempt?
Is there an email address that GW allows to ask questions? I think I saw a mail address...
No comments yet, I know this has been asked often. How do most of you play this senerio?
First of all, the battlewagon can definitely ram, even if it has a deffrolla. That isn't in question. What's in question is if the deffrolla has any effect on a ram.
Personally, I defer to the judges when competing in a tournament. In a casual game, I say 'no', they don't. I don't feel this was intended, and doesn't make sense fluffwise (a sharp steam roller crushing an Imperial Titan?)
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I haven't stepped into the Apoc world yet, so I'm not sure what D6 S10 hits would do to a Titan. If GW meant for the battlewagon to take out light vehicles they might have added that you do not get the extra D6 for the armor penetration rolls. But I'm not sure I know of any S9 vehicles. Maybe they will release a new FAQ when the supposedly new warbuggies are released.
In the fluff it sais the deffrolla wagons krush light-vehicles. I would assume buggies, trukks, speedsters, bikes, jetbikes and walkers are light vehicles. Im not sure about Eldar and Tau vehicles. They doesnt look that 'Ard, but they are "tanks". Deffrolla VS these light vehicles sounds right to me, but against LandRaider meh... superheavies? no way!
This is all from a fluff point of view, the rules can be different. we just need to wait for the FAQ.
On a sidenote, a walker a vehicle yes? can the deffrolla roll over them and give D6 str10 hits? and what if the walker death or gloried the ramming wagon? extra D6?
I would go with that for sure. If the DeffRolla was used as normal rules then it would be the strongest anti-tank device in 40k. But what qualifies as a light vehicle? Any thing that is not a Tank? If it were anything but Tanks then the Walkers would be running from the DeffRolla. I think the Orks need an anti-tank/armor support but D6 S10 hits on anything would require a significant points increase.
There's no telling win the new FAQ will be released and whether the answers to many peoples questions will be answered.
I am betting that there has not been an answer as "clarifying" goes bad either way... crappy if no for the ork, way overpowered (cost wise) if it does add hits. I expect to see a new 5th addition rule with a new codex stating like an extra d6 on the pen roll for ramming, but GW does not tend to add rules in FAQs.
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DOesn't it say somewhere in the rule book that a "ram" is a special type of "tank shock?"
I would assume from that (if true) that the effects of tank shock would apply in a ramming situation.
That's my general take on the rules but apparently most people play that if you have a DeffRolla you can't use the DeffRolla to Ram, normal Ramming rules apply. It also is played that if you have a non-tank vehicle, and it takes a Reinforced Ram, it cannot Ram, only Tank Shock.
I think this is simply silly, and I am interested to see GW correct/clarify the TankShock/Ramming discrepancies. The only benefit you get from taking a Reinforced Ram with a Battlewagon is the re-roll of dangerous terrain.
- Deffrolla: Imagine a truck or a combine hit a car, what looks more effective?
- Ram: Same scenario: a truck or the same truck with thick, big metal sticks on the front (that actually devastates the enviroment ahead) ?
Yes, it is cheese, just like many other things. (For the record, I don`t have a single battlewagon in my possession, it does not affect me that much.)
I think the best to ask them, or wait till the next FAQ, but if we don`t ask, there won`t be FAQ