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I was wondering, are these worth getting? im making a list to take on my imperial guard friend and in my eyes these seem perfect. their grenade pack can kill a few guards and so can a volley of their shots when they land, the real reason these makes me drool however, are their haywire grenades. a group of 6 can potentialy take out any tank in one fell swoop, be it a land raider or a trukk.
So what are you guys oppinion on the hawks? worth getting / waste of points and why
Hawks are a very good unit but, sadly not a pivotal one.
They have great mobility and great range, so as long as you keep them away from massed fire and give your opponent better targets they will survive.
Their potload of S3 shots are good at annoying people or killing of stragglers, but if you use them in unison with the rest of your army they'll probibally do those extra 2 wounds to wipe out/break morale of that pesky unit you were aiming for.
Haywires are very good, but their a one trick pony. You Hawks have to get into assault range of a tank and as soon as your opponent learns of the nefarious effects of HWgrenades, be sure he won't leave the hawks alone!
The grenade pack is good, but scatters too much and further in the game risks not only missing any enemy unit, but also hitting one of yours! (and we don't have T4 S3+ like marines!) so be careful!
When I use them I usually have a small unit in Deep Strike, having it pop around turn 3 and keeping it out of harm's way for the rest of the game, popping some shots at any stragglers and flying off for last turn objective contesting (but in this bikes are better as they actually hold the objective too)
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Allright, i must have a 4th ed rulebook, it says that 6+ destroys the vehicle, but still, if i drop them behind the main army where my opponents artilery is standing i can take one tank out pr turn (not killing it but with no weapons its no good) thx for the replies
Your right about their effectiveness but have to consider what you'll be paying for it. I own 10 but I think if I ever use them it will be in a 2500 point game where I just need to fill points. I don't care how nice they look with their granades and Skyleap, 10 Swooping Hawks aren't ever going to ourmatch 9 Warp Spiders (rough point approximation) or 5-6 War Walkers, or Dragons in a Serpent, or 2 Wraithlords, or their cost in Jetbikes even. See the problem? As long as there are Heavy, Elite, or Troop slots open these guys are going to be outclassed.
I think vypers are even a better choice..lol
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Last edited by Archon Charybdis; February 23rd, 2010 at 17:35.
I got another one for you librarians, how about shining spears? i've kinda fallen in love with them and i can imagine them being somewhat devastating to a space marine army / other tough units
2 attacks each with a high str and no armor save (assuming they get to assault) looks very cookiecuttish to me, but are they worth it in points?
This is exactly the problem. Swooping Hawks are basically Dire Avengers with wings, meaning they fulfill the same role (anti-infantry, specifically low toughness low armor infantry). THe trouble is that DAs and Scorpions are a lot better at this job. 10 swooping hawks is almost as much as 10 DAs in a serpent, which has just as much mobility and can hold objectives. And scorpions are simply the best anti-infantry we have (I'd consider the things banshees go after to be "heavy infantry"). They do have their grenades but as eric said, glances no longer cut it.In a way they're similar to swooping hawks in that, they can do a job, but for the points there are other things that can do it better like banshees or scorpions.
Andthe spears suffer from the same problem. They are best used against heavy infantry and monstrous creatures. For heavy infantry you have banshees, who are easily the best at it (especially with doom) and for MCs you have Pathfinders, Wraithguard, Warlock squads, and even banshees when coupled with doom. Really, there's nothing wrong with either unit. It's just that there's always a better choice.
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