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With the Shadowseer's Veil of Tears, if the harlequin unit is between one of your other units and one of your enemy unit (with is shooting at your other unit), does the Veil of Tears work because the enemy unit has to shoot through your harlequin unit?
Also is the troupe master worth it?
I was thinking that maybe you can have a Wraithlord and a harlequin unit team up or something. The shadowseer can keep the wraithlord from getting wraithsight, and since they both ignore difficult terrain, they can accompany each other to close combat (the wraithlord can run right?) and give each other support while they are at it.
In this case, would it better to have the wraithlord in front of the harlequins or vise versa? Please tell me if this is viable because I'm still really new to 40K.
Thanks in advance.
Last edited by Skyleap; March 8th, 2010 at 00:32. Reason: Post didn't come out right.
Fear is of the unknown...
Firstly, no VoT only effects targetting the Harlies, it doesn't effect targeting any squad they may be obscuring.You cannot join a wraithlord to a Harlie squad because its a MC, and if they stay close together your Harlies can be targetted by people throwing blast templates at your wraithlord, as its indirect targeting and ignores VoT.If you join a normal IC to the Harlies they do gain the VoT benefit.The troop master generally is NOT considered worth it, he is too expensive.Whether you use the harlies for cover or the lord is up to you, the harlies are tall enough they might give the WL a cover save which is useful as he is easily taken down by ap2/3 weapons otherwise
Veil of Tears always works.
If the halequins are between an enemy unit firing and the unit it is firing at, then the unit being fired at gains a cover save.
Troupe Master, If you have the points, yeah. Generally if i can get Power Weapons, I'll take them.
Wraithlord, yes, the shadowseer prevents wraithsight and yes, the wraithlord can run.
Infront or behind doesnt matter too much. The wratihlord is a monstorous creature so won't get a cover save for being behind the harlies. I'd probably run them side by side, with the seer out the side the wlord is at. Rememberto keep in ming that you don't want to get too many of the harlies close to the lord as he can be targeted by blast weapons which can scatter. last thing you want is veil of tears being bypassed by a scattering blast marker.
@kriswithak Thanks heaps - with the wraithlord I wasn't saying I wanted it to join the harlequins. +Rep
@eris Thanks heaps too - I'll keep that blast factor in mind. +Rep
Last edited by Skyleap; March 8th, 2010 at 00:54.
Fear is of the unknown...
eris: is the reason that the wraithlord does not get a cover save from the harlies with the shadowseer because the veil of tears prevents the harlies from being considered for LoS? or because its so tall as a MC? I'm thinking its the first because the later would consider that any intervening models would confer a cover save. no matter how tall the MC is, right?
As a monstrous creature I beleive it has to be 50% obscured to gain cover, meaning it is extremely hard to gain cover from infantry, even harlequins who are generally in extremely high stances on their bases.
VoT doesn't negate a squad behind getting cover, for the purpose of targetting any squad nearby the Harlies are just considered a normal squad obstructing LoS, VoT only effects them when they are specifically targetted.
Edited: Question already answered.
A trick to use with Harlequins is to put pathfinders behind them, thus giving them a 2+ cover save in the open. Move the harlequins just out of the way, then run them back infront of the pathfinders after they're done shooting. If the enemy shoots your pathfinders, they get a 2+ cover save, and if they shoot your harlequins, they've gotta roll for the Veil of Tears.
Okay time for another noob question: when it says you have to test for initiative for Hit & Run, how does that work?
Also can someone tell me exactly tell me how this rep thing works? I'm under the understanding that if someone helps you, you rep them, but what does it accumulate to?
Sorry for the simple questions.
Fear is of the unknown...
Initiative tests are described at the beginning of the rulebook. Think 'leadership test' but on 1D6.
my personal opinion of harlequins is a psychological thing. In my first couple games after getting my harlies, (8 models, 6 kisses, one troupe master w/PW, shadowseer, deathjester) always joined by farseer w/ doom/fortune, runes of warding/witnessing and the avatar (fortune the avatar til the harlies are in VoT range) makes for a very resiliant CC/intimidating core to an army. Backed up by fast moving tanks and spiders, scorpions outflanking, they force your opponent to really consider their firepower. I have had games with the avatar marching across the table drawing every single gun in the opposing marine fireline list without taking a single wound.
Ever since, I always hear my opponent wispering to casual onlooker A "...those guys need to die fast" always makes me smile because I then know ahead of time all my other stuff will be getting a free ride across the table. S3T3 model with only a 5+ invul? not too scary... a S4(on charge) 5+ save that rerolls wounds and saves? horrifying proposition!!!
Last edited by Noli; March 16th, 2010 at 20:38.