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i see alota people with this in their list; a Shas'el or Shas'o with a bonding knife.to me, this seems like a completely pointless use of 5pts.let me explain why; the bonding knife is purchased to allow a unit to regroup even if below 50% starting size. so lets say our bonded HQ joins a unit of XV8s. now, no matter if the unit had 1, 2 or 3 suits originally, the only time it will be below 50% after the HQ has joined is when all the original suits die. but when all the suits die, the HQ is by himself, so doesn't he just count as an independent character again? and an idependent character can only be either 100% or 0% of starting size, not below 50%, so what's the point of having a bonding knife? it's not like he can be a maimed torso thinking "i got no arms or groin or legs, but i got my bonding knife, so even though im only half as big as i was 6 turns ago, im not guna run just yet!".it seems so obvious to me that im begining to think maybe im missing something in either the independent character, HQ or bonding knife rules? am i?thanks
Well, there are two reasons I can think of off the top of my head for a bonding knife. Three, actually.
Firstly, fluff: From what I remember it's usually veterans who take the oaths that permit them to carry a bonding knife. You might just want to represent that fact in your army, even if it's not an effective use of points. This is probably the main reason you see people doing this - their just trying to have an army that stays true to the fluff.
Secondly, points filling: Sometimes it's just easier to stick a throwaway item somewhere to use up your points. Arguably there may be something better you could invest in but whatever, maybe the bonding knife sounds cool.
Thirdly, drones: I have some vague recollection of Drones counting towards the unit size, but you'd have to ask someone else about this.
The codex says that drones are included when determining if a unit is below 50 % for Victory point purposes, so I've always played as if this means they count as models when determining if below 50 % for regrouping. Especially since the codex also says that if the drones are with an Independent character, the IC and drones form a unit, meaning the drones aren't just wargear but actual models in the unit. So yes a BK would help with drones.
Its actually a very good setup to have a commander with 2 other suits, BK knife, and two drones (or 3 other suits and 1 drone), because 5 is the smallest number of models in a unit needed to increase the kills needed to cause a panic test from one to two, and the unit can still regroup once it has lost 3 members. This is another reason people field pathfinders in groups of five, though some forgo the bonding knife with the pathfinders.
For example: Your commander has a couple of Gun Drones slaved to him by a Drone Controller and him and his unit get shot at and two of the drones die. The unit was 3 models in strength and now, this has been cut down by 66.66%, if the XV8 Commander fails his leadership he will not regroup unless he has the BK handy. If he hasn't, bye-bye Commander.
Hope this helps
Last edited by Kai-Itza; March 23rd, 2010 at 11:21.
Fantasy : Empire, Chaos Warriors, Chaos Daemons, Vampire Counts, Beastmen, High Elves, Lizardmen( but i have opinions on every army just not the money)
40k: Black Templars, Imperial Guard, Dark Eldar, Tau (thinking of Eldar)
It is true that an independent character with drones is still considered independent for all purposes. Yet it is an independent character with 3 models. As far as I know we are the only army that can do this.
There is a 4rth reason to take the bonding knife on a commander. If you have a unit falling back that is below half strength and has no bonding knife, say Kroot. If you can join that unit in the movement phase before it falls off the table, you would be able to give that unit the chance to regroup the following turn at the commanders leadership thereby saving the unit. Yes, this will run the chance of losing the commander, but if this is your last troop choice and you need them to claim objectives it might be worth the risk.
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