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    Yet another problem

    More problems with this Tyranid player, got to check a few things out...

    1. Can genestealers charge 12", is there an upgrade?

    2. How many upgrades (acid blood, rending claws etc.) can be given to a broodlord or genestealers? He had two upgrades on his genestealers.

    3. Can a mawloc reroll all hits in combat with scything talons?

    4. Is there an upgrade (rending claws) that allows genestealers to roll 2D6 for armour penetration?

    If I can recall anymore I'll post them, but that's it for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannibal_God View Post
    More problems with this Tyranid player, got to check a few things out...

    1. Can genestealers charge 12", is there an upgrade?

    They can move 6", run D6, and assault 6" due to fleet. They can't specifically charge 12, but would be the same if the roll for run was a 6

    2. How many upgrades (acid blood, rending claws etc.) can be given to a broodlord or genestealers? He had two upgrades on his genestealers.

    Believe its 2, dex not infront of me

    3. Can a mawloc reroll all hits in combat with scything talons?

    1 set of scyth rerolls failed to hit of "1", 2 sets rerolls all failed. Don't have the dex infront of me but I don't think Mawloc's are an exception

    4. Is there an upgrade (rending claws) that allows genestealers to roll 2D6 for armour penetration?

    No, the rending rule gives any roll to wound of 6an extra d3 strength

    If I can recall anymore I'll post them, but that's it for now.
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    Thanks heaps, rep for you!
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    ^^^ pretty much

    genestealers just have regular rending - you got gyped. they do get the option to get 3 upgrades though - adrenal glands, toxin sacs and scything talons. but then you're looking at 22pt genestealers. the broodlord can have all these plus Acid Blood and Implant Attack from what i can remember
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    if a broodlord costs 46 points, what upgrades could it possibly have
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    i've just spelled them all out?

    should be worth mentioning he's not just 46pts naked though; its 46 PLUS the cost of a genestealer. so 60pts all up

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    Would this be 500 points? Now I'm trying to see if he's cheating in points too...

    8 Genestealers with a Broodlord

    3 Tyranid Warriors with Venom Cannon and Tyranid Prime

    3 Raveners
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    it would totally depend on what everything was armed with. there's still plenty of variability in how much you drop into a unit as far as points value goes

    naked, that army looks like it'd be about 460pts, but i don't have my codex here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannibal_God View Post
    More problems with this Tyranid player, got to check a few things out...

    1. Can genestealers charge 12", is there an upgrade?

    No. In the old codex, forth edition, hormagaunts charged 12 inches via leaping rule but that has changed in fifth edition and leaping now allows the hormagaunt to run by rolling 3d6 and taking the highest. Your opponent probably has a few rules and old editions mixed up and thought that genestealers charged at 12 inches when they actually only charge the normal distance, 6 inches.

    2. How many upgrades (acid blood, rending claws etc.) can be given to a broodlord or genestealers? He had two upgrades on his genestealers.

    The whole brood (incluing the broodlord) can take adrenal glands, toxin sacs, and scything talons. Additionally, the broodlord may take implant attack and acid blood.

    3. Can a mawloc reroll all hits in combat with scything talons?

    No. The model displays scything talons but they are smaller than the trygons scything talons that the kit comes with. The smaller size is to represent the fact that the mawloc does not actually have scything talons as part of its rules and therefore does not gain the benefits of scything talons, those benefits being rerolls to hit.

    4. Is there an upgrade (rending claws) that allows genestealers to roll 2D6 for armour penetration?

    No. You (or your opponent) are/is thinking of the monsterous creature rule. Monsterous creatures penetrate armor using 2d6. Rending does not do this and has its own rule against armor (detailed in warhammer 40k rulebook).

    It seems to me as if your opponent was trying to cheat you! lol

    If I can recall anymore I'll post them, but that's it for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannibal_God View Post
    Would this be 500 points? Now I'm trying to see if he's cheating in points too...

    8 Genestealers with a Broodlord

    3 Tyranid Warriors with Venom Cannon and Tyranid Prime

    3 Raveners

    Assuming everything you listed is naked and the tyranid prime is attached to three warriors and not just one of the three warriors you have listed then the total amount would be 433. Based on what you've said so far he probably included other upgrades.

    Also I want to point out that only one warrior in a brood can have a venom cannon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cannibal_God View Post
    if a broodlord costs 46 points, what upgrades could it possibly have

    A player would upgrade a genestealer to a broodlord because its entire statline is increased by a lot and he is a psyker.
    I hope this helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannibal_God View Post
    Would this be 500 points? Now I'm trying to see if he's cheating in points too...

    8 Genestealers with a Broodlord

    3 Tyranid Warriors with Venom Cannon and Tyranid Prime

    3 Raveners
    so this roughly comes out to be 460 before any upgrades so it may be 500 or under lol

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