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Hey guys... I'm thinking of starting Eldar after selling off my Space Marines (they got boring really).
I've had a browse of their codex and settled on a basic 'shopping list' so to speak, to start with.
I was thinking of picking up the following, as I'll be starting small then working my way up... My main opponents will be Orks, Dark Angels and very occasionally Tyranids and CSM.
Anyway, here's what I'm thinking of.
1 Box of Dire Avengers (definately prefer these over Guardians)
1 Wave Serpent
1 Box of Rangers
1 Box of Howling Banshees
Am I going along the right lines for a general starting point to my army or am I walking along the complete wrong track?
Any feedback greatly appreciated.
your gonna want 2 boxes of dire avengers if not guardians and you'll need some fire dragons, or at least usually as it seems your opponents arent going to be packing some heavy armor other than the CSM. the rest is your preference.
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get rid of rangers, buy 2 of avengers boxes, 2 serpents, 2 prisms (wait for new kit) and 2 serpent upgrades kit from forgeworld, and 1 box of fire dragons. 1 farseer is ok too
Thanks for the replies guys. Thinking within my current budget, I could probably afford the 'Seer, both boxes of Avengers, one wave serpent and an elite choice. A few things I'm wondering about are, how would the Fire Dragons fair against Dark Angels (who will be my most common opponent by far)... He has no tanks at the moment, and since F. Dragons seem to be an anti tank unit, would they be worth taking regardless of the fact he has no tanks?
Also, his most threatening units are a Dreadnought, and a bunch of 5 Termies. The Terminators are the reason I decided to think about some Banshees... Would the Avengers or the F. Dragons do ok against them?
And lastly, what are Avengers like in close combat? They seem pretty mediocre, but could they hold their own against say, normal Marines? The guy I play likes to run them in combat squads of 5, including a sergeant of course. Would a 10 man Avenger squad be able to hold it's own against 5 man combat squads?
It's my birthday soon too, so I could expand on my army then... I just need a basic force to start with, and I don't really wanna get too bogged down with models to paint yet. I just wanna get a quick force painted up, and then build on that with some of my birthday funds hehe.
Thanks again guys,
As far as dire avengers, when you have enough of the backed up by a Farseer with Doom and Guide, they can kill pretty much any infantry (except maybe Thunder Wolves). They're all about inflicting lots of wounds, and forcing lots of armor saves. That 2+ armor save on a terminator is impressive, but if you make him roll enough he will fail it. ,Their volume of shots is also effective against hordes like orks and tyranids.No, you're absolutely right, they're mediocre. They could probably hold up a combat squad for a few turns, assuming there's no Sgt. with a power weapon, but they're not likely to win uness you've spent the points to kit out your exarch for CC. And I would not waste the points kitting out the exarch for CC. He can't carry the squad alone, and even with the goodies he can bring they're still going to be a mediocre CC unit. Save the points and focus on their shooting instead.And lastly, what are Avengers like in close combat? They seem pretty mediocre, but could they hold their own against say, normal Marines? The guy I play likes to run them in combat squads of 5, including a sergeant of course. Would a 10 man Avenger squad be able to hold it's own against 5 man combat squads?
Otherwise the units you've shown interest in are all solid choices.The rangers are the only ones I could take or leave, they're not bad necessarily but they're not an all-star unit by any stretch. You're generally right about DA's being a much better option than Guardians, but a 10 man guardian squad with a Missile Launcher doesn't make a bad home objective babysitter, and the 48'' range on the Eldar Missile Launcher still allows them to reach out and touch someone.
Last edited by Archon Charybdis; May 7th, 2010 at 00:45.
Thanks Archon. The Fire Dragons have definately gone up in my estimations. I only really saw them as tank busters but clearly they're more capable of that! I'll ignore the rangers for now then. I love the models and really like snipers in 40k but I suppose they're not really as useful as other units it would seem. What do you guys think of Jetbikes? I could probably pick up a cheap unit of 3 of them somewhere, and if I grabbed a trio of them to replace a squad of Avengers, it'd mean I wouldn't have to worry about one Avenger unit going without a Wave Serpent (as I can only afford one serpent atm). Thanks again guys. Zen.
Two starters boxes bought online from one of the discount sellers isn't a bad start. It nets you 2 WS (extremely useful), 1 full DA squad, 2 guardian squads (10 per box with suppport weapon which with a bit of work are convertable into DA anyway) and 2 War Walkers.
It probably depends on your exchange rate but I did this and it cost about the same as the two WS on their own from a regular GWS store(incl shipping).
You want to wait on Prisms, and if your buying online you can get the boxes of Aspect warriors pretty cheap, the FD are definately the #1 choice, while rangers despite being awesome models are pretty horrible this edition, they work in very few lists.
I live in Australia, but I've found that buying online everything is almost exactly 50% cheaper, and once you add shipping about 60% of the RRP price in GWS shops here.
Last edited by kriswithak; May 7th, 2010 at 06:28.
I agree with kriswithak. I believe the starter box is a really good start and i advise 2 just like he did. 1 comes with only 5 DA (1 can be made to an exarch). If you get only 1 box then you kinda need to get single models probably from ebay.You dont want guardians but even if you dont use them, the cost of 2 boxes is still a bargain.
Thanks for the feedback guys. However the problem with 2 battleforces is that I can't currently afford them and ideally I wanna get cracking straight away.
Are Wave Serpents as essential as they seem to be? I mean, at say 500 points are they really that essential?
I could easily afford a box of Dire Avengers, a box of Guardians, a box of Fire Dragons and the Farseer, but I'd probably not be able to afford the Wave Serpent until my birthday.
At 500 points would a Wave Serpent for the Avengers be truly essential?
At 500 points a serpent is funny cause the enemy has very little to kill it and will have to rely on some odd missile launcher shot or a melta or fist if you allow it close enough. And when inside are 6 dragons is even more funny.