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Hey all, I just got back from college and I have some new toys to put together, and that is more boys! I'm in the midst of developing a foot slogging army and currently i'm deciding between two different lists of 750, and over the summer i'll be adding more and more to that.
My main question concerning the building of my new boys is what to make them? I have a squad of 20 shootas, and a squad of 20 sluggas currently primed and being painted. I want to focus mainly on shootas, but i do want at least a squad of 30 sluggas in my army list somewhere to pack a good CC punch. I guess the real question is what would you guys recommend me going, squads of 30 shootas or squads of 20 shootas? Ive seen arguments on here for both sides and i don't have enough games under my belt to effectivly decide so i was wondering if you could throw out some points! Thanks a bunch guys
I personally prefer shootas when fighting on foot, but a unit of sluggas certainly doesn't hurt either. As long as they're in units of 20-30 with a nob, powerklaw, and bosspole, they should work fine.
What I'd suggest adding is a unit of grots. They're great for sitting on objectives and standing in front, to give the boyz behind them a cover save.
When expanding your army, good units for a footslogging force are killa kans, lootas, big gunz, deffkoptas, kommandos, warp 'eads, and SAGs.
"Any job worth doing, is worth doing with a powerklaw."
Hey grax thanks for the reply. Definitely some grots are in my list that i'm working on now for just that, objective sitting! Possibly for a meat shield too, but they will get replaced by kans once i get the funds. Right now i have 10 lootas and plan on either buying another box to make two units of 7 and 8 or getting 2 more to just go 9 and 9. Still in the process of debating on what i'd rather have, more lootas, or start getting some kans.
But onto my main concern, the only thing i'm wondering is peoples experience with different size mobs. With only 20 in a mob i feel like it will quickly get wittled (widdled?) down by pie plates and enemy fire and it will lose the mob rule bonus. I was planning on maxing out all of my shoota squads to 30 but i have recently seen arguments against this, stating that a 30 squad of shootas does not all get into effective shooting position and therefore brings the whole point of having a 30 strong mob down a bit. Any suggestions on that? Or am i just being over paranoid about the small squad sizes of 20 (when in reality they aren't that small haha)
Thanks a lot for the help!
You probably read my comments about shootas. I use 30 shootas a lot...I'm just careful not to 'bunch up'. Pie plates aren't too bad if you stay spread out. But you can get by with 20 shootas. It also allows you to ride in a Battlewagon, which is a great gambit.
30 strong is the way to go for footslogging shootas. A 30 strong mob can take alot more damage w/o even having to take a morale check. You won't even need a bosspole (although if you have the points i would still take them). In a 20 man mob you only need to lose 10 guys to start taking morale, in a 30 man mob you'll need to lose 20. So the extra 10 guys means you can take twice as much damage before you even have to worry about running away. Also you get another big shoota in the mob for a total of 3.
I think shootas > sluggas overall, but every ork army needs at least one CC heavy unit to counter enemy CC specialists. Although sluggas are an ok choice keep in mind you could also use Nobz, hard boys (my personal favorite), killa kanz, or even burna boys. I ended up ranting about these same issues (mob size and the benefits of shootas) in my 1000 point tournament thread in the army list forums. So if you want to read some more of my input on the topic (and my own personal army list) you should check it out.
What is dis signature nonsence?! dem stupid human zoggers are always trien to confuze us.
The real problem comes when you don't have even batches of 30 of a given type. I've got 52 shootas; do I field a unit of 30 and a unit of 20, or seed 'em with big shootas and field 30 and 25, or two units of 20 and a trukk full, or...
I personally like sluggas in my trukks. Frankly, ork shooting being what it is, deploying a few shootas near the enemy line is often ineffective. However, 11 sluggas and their PK nob will wreck anything that's not CC-oriented, and at least give a nasty nudge even to a really killy unit. The value of that empty trukk as a screen shouldn't be underestimated either. About all a dozen shootas are really good for are grabbing distant objectives.
One thing to keep in mind is the crowd factor. A mob of 30 boyz, properly dispersed, is biiiig. It takes up a lot of space on the table, which can prevent your enemy from flanking effectively; but if you aren't careful, you can make it difficult for your specialist units to get forward through the press. You can organize them into thinner columns with lanes between them, but then it's difficult to get the rear elements forward in time to engage the enemy at the same time as the lead elements (and so half your unit is out of firing range, or can't get into combat). A good general can make this work for them and against the enemy, but a ham-handed one will cripple his own charge.
wont be making that mistake again. Any tips on how to make this work.
On topic i would think that maxing out the mobz is the better option unless theyre going into transports, because 30 boyz, Shoota or Slugga with Nob\BP\PK is tough for any opposition. Ive noticed after watching alot of games with orks that this psychological factor alone is a bonus.
You can run a mob of 30 in a group a few figures wide and 18" deep if necessary. You'll have to adjust as you see fit. 30 figure mobs are actually large enough to flow around large buildings and impassible terrain pieces.
The key is the type of opponent you're facing, not terrain. If you're fighting an assault army, consider a unit of sluggas in a long thin line across your front (double ranks is best due to shooting casualties) to soak up the initial charge. You really suffer if you don't get that first charge in and if ALL of your boyz get charged then it sucks.
20 shootas holding an objective in some cover/rough terrain are a major PITA to deal with......
just think of the 30 shootas as a double objective holder. 30 boyz 2" apart is (if played right) a 4+ cover dual objective holder. Especially if you are distracting them with other things.
I run three squads of 30 shootas. 1 slugga ard boyz w/ knob and WB in a trukk, and other slugga,nob, in a trukk.
Hey all thanks for the great replies! I'll definitely be maxing out my squads then too 30, cant wait to see the huge mobs of boys runnin across the field! Hopefully it'll make my friend think twice about playin my orks I guess now all i need to do is decide wether or not to get more lootas, or start getting kanz. Any ideas there? haha Thanks again guys always such great help in here