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    Tyranids v.s Necrons/Daemons

    Another random question if the Tyranids were to have a battle with the Necrons or the Daemons suddenly popped up out of no where, would they be able to harvest anything or no because Necrons turn to dust & the Daemons just vanish back to the warp.


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    They would just eat the planet. Necrons actually just leave, they don't turn to dust so there's absolutely nothing. Demons leave blood and some flesh pieces but nothing major. Tyranids usually avoid any planet where Necrons are because of the reason they inhabit "dead" worlds and leave nothing to eat, so the battle is a useless resource drain.
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    He is right, by the fluff there is no need to fight with the Necrons over the dead world, as usually the dead world was devoured by the Tyranids them self.

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    The Doom of Malan'tai or something like it could consume their souls. Get into the Necron tomb complex where their souls are transmitted into new bodies, bite the soul transfer mechanism and suck em' all dry as they try to reanimate.

    Daemons can have their souls sucked up in the same way or with a Hive Tyrant using leech essence. Foolish prey underestimate the hunger of the Great Devourer and think they are immortal!

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    Except the Doom is one organism, a genetic flaw. And it wouldn't be worth the resources should they meet resistance, which a Tomb Complex would have in spades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Prince of Excess View Post
    Except the Doom is one organism, a genetic flaw. And it wouldn't be worth the resources should they meet resistance, which a Tomb Complex would have in spades.
    The Doom isn't a genetic flaw, it's just a very strange and specialised version of a Zoanthrope. Because the Necrons are vunerable to it the Tyranids would likely create more. They could create a giant Bio-Titan version of it. Also Necrons are made of minerals which are good for eating. A constant suppy of ressurecting Necrons would mean huge amounts of food.

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    Most lore over time has Tyranid "special characters" as some sort of genetic trial and error, a flaw, or something that happened to a regular creature that somehow made it special. That's how I choose to interpret the fluff, there's really no concrete facts.

    Necrons are made of more than minerals, they're living metal that is of alien make. There's no way of knowing if it's even usable by a Hive Fleet, it seems that it isn't because Tyranids choose to avoid them. In a normal battle there would be nothing to eat because of their teleportation and if a Hive Fleet found a Tom World, I would have to stack the odds in the Necrons favor given their huge numbers and the lack of anything on the world itself to eat should the battle grind into attrition.

    Of course this is all speculation and just my opinion, but that's how I view said topics.
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    I've noticed that if you follow the progression of the codices, the special characters of earlier codices tend to lend their unique abilities to their parent species in later codices. Regeneration used to be Old One Eyes's special trick, and by 4th edition, every Carnifex was regrowing limbs, for example. This leads me to think that the "Special Characters" given in the codex are either experiments on the part of the hive mind, to determine the effectiveness of particular genes, or else rare, absurdly specialized organisms created with a very specific intent.

    Deathleaper, for example, seems to be an experimental enhancement of the Lictor, perhaps in an effort to make the large, expensive organisms less likely to be destroyed in heavy fighting. It also seems to be a test of adaptations towards psychological warfare, as the Hive Mind becomes more comfortable predicting and exploiting the inhabitants of this galaxy.

    The Doom of Malan'tai, on the other hand, strikes me as a specialized organism developed in response to exotic prey like the Eldar, Daemons, or Necrons. Given that Imperial forces are vulnerable to more conventional methods of gathering biomass, it's not surprising that they would know only one or two secondhand accounts of the Doom, and would mistake it for a unique individual. The Tyranids seem to have no problem taking the stuff of life, whether the "life-energy" coveted by the C'tan or the warp presence of sentient beings, and converting it into biomass.

    It would come as quite a surprise if there didn't exist some-late stage invasion organism capable of making use of Daemons or Necrons. I just don't think they're efficient enough or tough enough to appear in combat swarms, and given the Hive Mind's precarious grip on this galaxy and the urgency of feeding after hibernation, avoiding Necrons and Daemons is just a way of saving inefficient food for later.

    The Swarmlord seems to be a different kind of thing altogether. I doubt the Codex is really giving us the full picture on him, but if his consciousness is so transcendent and unique, why isn't it in a Dominatrix, or, better yet, relaying synapse down from orbit? There has to be (well, I'd like to speculate about, anyway) a reason for something so valuable to be a Hive Tyrant.

    Remember, the codices tend to be biased towards Imperial ideas of things. The Hive Mind has no reason to sit and reflect on the nature of its component organisms, much less in such a primitive form as anecdotes, so it stands to reason that we understand Tyranid special characters as the other races in the setting understand them, not as they really are.

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    With the exception of ymgarl stealers, every nid organism can be re-absorbed and spit back out at a later point in time. Ymgari are the only exception as the hive actively refuses them back into the fleet.

    From a fluff point of view the hive could grow multiple versions of doom, even larger ones. From a table-top pov, only one doom can exists per army.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathsong View Post
    The Swarmlord seems to be a different kind of thing altogether. I doubt the Codex is really giving us the full picture on him, but if his consciousness is so transcendent and unique, why isn't it in a Dominatrix, or, better yet, relaying synapse down from orbit? There has to be (well, I'd like to speculate about, anyway) a reason for something so valuable to be a Hive Tyrant.
    I think the Swarmlord is created as a Hive Tyrant so that it can command swarms more easily. If it were a Dominatrix or other such huge creature then it's physical abilities would be much greater than it's brains. Also if it were so much larger creating it would be harder when all that is really needed is it's ability to out-think prey. The Swarmlord exists to think of new means of destroying prey with it's point of view being different but it isn't meant to be a huge all-powerful juggernaught like a Bio-Titan. The Swarmlord would help to direct such huge things so their abilities will be put to the best use. However aside from it's point of view the Swarmlord has no individuality, it is still just an bio-construct.

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