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I had an idea for an interesting army list that I would like to run by people and see if it is really viable. It would only work in large points games (probably 2000 at a minimum), though it may be viable on a smaller scale at lower point totals.
If I were to make an army list with 3 full broods of fully upgraded gargoyles - a total of 90 Gargoyles, with poisoned attacks and Furious Charge - and support them with a couple of flyrants with Old Adversary (who would in turn be screened by the gargoyles), I would then have 3 units that each have 60 attacks at I5 that always wound on a 4+ (and automatically on 6s to hit), with all the benefits of preferred enemy on top of that. Of course, they also have 30 shots before they charge, and support from the two flyrants as well, whether I kit them for assault or shooting.
Of course, this would be a very expensive formation - totalling around 1240 points if the flyrants have only wings and Old Adversary.
Is this something that might be worth trying? Backed up properly by the flyrants, these units could destroy pretty much anything in assault, and they could do some respectable damage with shooting attacks as well. With so many gargoyle bodies on the field, the opponent would be hard pressed to kill enough to make a significant difference.
I'm doing something similar, but with 2 broods of 20. Problem is that the nid codex depends on the entire codex working together. You could give it a shot, but the rest of the army will have to synch nearly perfectly with the gargoyle rush. At most I'd suggest 2 large broods of gargoyles, they are great, but need a lot of support in order to work.
the other problem is the logistics of them.. Gargoyles cover a LARGE 'footprint' of real estate.. 30 of them are going to have a very difficult time engaging the same unit.. ever. period. they just are too LARGE. Mathhammer makes them over the top INSANE.. practically cut your units to 15 or so and you get mostly the same effect...
Then you can afford some other goodies as well to play with.
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Last edited by Dragons; June 16th, 2010 at 17:29. Reason: clarifying
What Dragons said. Go with units on the order of 15-ish models large and you'll be plenty good.
I have a dual Flying Wing list myself headed by a pair of flyrants with a pair of gargoyle units as "retinue". Just have to buy the gargoyles someday to play it!
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Thanks for the suggestions and insights. I'll have to play around with some proxies and see what I like best but the 15-20 model broods do sound like they would be a little more efficient.
EDIT: Actually, a thought occurs to me. This is more something to irritate the opponent than actually be competitive, but what if you took one or two broods of Gargoyles (maybe 20-30 in a brood), and spread them widely across the board - as wide as they could fit/stay in 2" coherency - and so manage to multi charge a large number of enemy units with the same group of gargoyles? Since everyone has to pile in after each combat as the casualties mount, by the time your gargoyles were wiped out, all the units you had charged would be clumped close together (not to mention tying up so many units in CC for a turn. This is provided, of course, that at least one gargoyle could survive the initial assault.
Last edited by fatal_GRACE; June 16th, 2010 at 20:31.
a similar 'tactic' but a bit more.. uhh... out of character is to take 'm 30 strong and arange them in a LINE across your board edges.. this completely negates outflankers. It's cheap (pointswise) and cheap (irritating). 2 1/2 inch wide models.. 2 inches apart.. They can cover a bit over eleven FEET of table edge.
Haha, that sounds awesome. I think a book needs to be written: "101 Ways to Abuse Gargoyles".
I like the idea of 2 or three largish Gargoyle units (2x15 is 3 boxes worth so makes sense logistically). But as these are Fast attack not troops what are you going to play as troops to take / hold objectives incase you don't anihilate your opponent?
Maybe you don't need 2 flyrants; how about one and the parasite?
Here's a sample list of what I had in mind, Kevin.
2x Zoanthropes 160
2x Hive guard 100
10x Termagants 50
10x Termagants 50
15x Gargoyles 120
15x Gargoyles 120
Two flying wings with Tyrants at the center, antitank (apart from the MCs) in the form of Zoans and Hive Guard, and 4 troops choices, two of which are MCs with the ability to produce more troops.
That list isn't too bad, but it lacks killing power. 15 gargoyles do die pretty easily to anything and once they are dead you don't really have any killing power. Tyrants are OK, but your gaunts and Tervigons aren't killy enough to make up for the loss of gargoyles. I just played 1500 points today with 30 gargoyles which were effective but they are normally a glass cannon for me--One unit deep struck in and killed most of a unit of Wytches, and my other unit flew forward and took out a unit of DE raiders, both then were taken down by enemy fire allowing my warriors to shoot freely through the whole game (I had 10 warriors and they lost one wound the whole game because of my smaller, faster, harassing units were always in the enemies face). I would lose at least the second tyrant and a tervigon, and possibly the second tervigon to bring in some units that will be able to pound away at your enemies while they deal with your gargoyles.