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Yes, he's rubbish for many reasons.
Not bad, not great. I take him or leave him.
He's a good unit and I use him a lot.
I am not a Tyranid player. However, one of my friends and my son have recently broken into the Nid scene. I had a match against my friend recently and I beat him fairly badly. I mentioned this on a different thread and also mentioned that the Nid player has some good units including Old One Eye. A member replied that Old One Eye is "rubbish", but I thought he was a half decent unit (plus my friend painted the thing really well). So I've decided to ask you the Tyranid players of the world, how good or bad is Old One Eye? To the member who called him rubbish, I'm not trying to be a jerk about this; I really want to know to help my friend and my son!
Its cool my good man Id be appaled if you just accepted anything someone randomly spouted out around the forum without checking it. If Id thought i could get away with it without derailing the thread at the time id have explained why. Ill do so now instead
1) Insanly expensive. He clocks in at just over the points as a landraider.
2) Inability to take other carnifexs. One of the main appeals of carnifexs is that they can be taken in broods of 3, which gives them a degree of protection. Old one eye cant, hes only got 4 wounds at T6 with a 3+ save. Not exactly tough.
3) Poor special rules. They counteract eachother a fair bit, for example hes got living battering ram, which would make him I3 on the charge, but crushing claws make him I1 permenantly. Also his main appeal, the extra attacks generated, isnt exactly great due to being WS3. On average he gets 6 attacks, but only 3 will hit, and then 1-2 more as a result, so your looking at 4-5 hits per turn. The problem with this is that is that a regular carnifex will also give you 4-5 hits per turn with 2 sets of tallons but comes in about 80-100 points cheaper. A Trygon will put out MORE than that anyway and is a good 60 points cheaper depending on uprades.
Even his regen is pretty poor, assuming he takes 3 wounds you'll only regen one back statistically. And no-body with a good list is going to struggle to take 2 wounds off him in a single turn.
And Alpha leader is totaly pointless, hooray LD8 guants and things. Except we have synapse which makes them fearless anyway.
So to sum up, a peice of rubbish thats far far better off left on the shelf, the regular units do what he does better, and for less.
Last edited by Heirodule; January 20th, 2011 at 07:47.
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He is a bit hit and miss with me - sometimes does really poorly, sometimes kills Ghazghkull Thraka in a single combat phase. It's an ugly model that needs updating, that's for sure. It's basically a Furioso Dreadnought but for double the points.
From the options i'll have to go with rubbish, for what he costs.
One of our local nid players runs 'old two heads' (model conversion) and he almost invariably gets blown away before making much progress - he's krak missile fodder.
Too Expensive and Slow for my taste. I actually have the model and have tried him out on several occasions and he never once made 50% of his points back. If he could be the leader of a canifex brood or if you could put him in a spore I might take him...
I think the best possible use for him is as a battering ram behind other Carnifexes. Let the lesser 'fexes soak the first shots and once Old One Eye gets into assault range his super-regeneration and berserk rampage will make him practically unkillable.
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Really, he's too expensive for what he offers. As noted, basic carnifexes -- for cheaper -- get you more bang for your buck.
That said, I wouldn't exactly call him "useless". The fact is, his "uber-regeneration" and reputation makes him a decent psychological weapon to throw at your enemies. He attracts more attention than he deserves, and can be put to good use in a decent army list.
ninjabackhand: point and click, again, really? even after i give you an military term "shock tactic" you still call it point and click.
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Last edited by Heirodule; January 20th, 2011 at 17:17.
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