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I've spent the past few weeks looking at armies, reading forums, reddit, and other stuff trying to get an idea of what kind of army to play. At first I was thinking Chaos Daemons, but they just don't seem to work for me. Also considered Eldar, Necron, and the Orks. The Eldar seem way too complex, and I am not crazy about their style. Orks look fun, but just not what I'm looking for. I'm unsure about Necron, they seem simple enough since they don't have too many units, they look pretty easy to paint, and I've read they aren't too complex to play. There is something about the DE though... Just within the past few days I was looking at some stuff, and they caught my eye. They don't look crazy hard to paint like the some of the Daemons, but they still look like they would take some effort. Their tactics look kinda cool, and I really like their lore. I got my hands on a borrowed 5ed codex for them and they seem to appeal to me most.
Could someone highlight some of the aspects of playing them? Tips on their tactics/playstyles? How much experience does it take to understand the basics of playing them? Would it be worth my time starting with the Dark Eldar; or should I go for an easier army to play? Some army ideas/examples? What kind units should I start out with? Battleforce or buy individual boxes? Are they fun to paint?
Warhammer is a pretty big investment. I'm taking my time and trying to start right.
Edit: I'd like to add I'm thinking of just buying a box of Kabalite Warriors to practice painting on. I'm going for the Obsidian Rose scheme.
Last edited by Mirarii; September 12th, 2011 at 02:15.
well dark eldar are not to complicated but as you start playing you will say to yourself " man these guys suck why are they dieing so often and those marines get all sorts of saves." when i first started eldar i thought the same way. my advice is to get a small force and start playing with that. some wytches, warriors, an archon, maybe some other small units... the battlebox is a great way to go btw and the dark eldar one is one of the better boxes in my opinion. you will learn in time space marines might be easy to play but they are boring and stale because EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER play marines. marines vs marines = no fun... demons are hard to play and only really have one or two good play styles. plus our models look great!!! dark eldar are a fast army and most of the time rely on mobile firepower and light combat ( what i mean by this is that our units are not heavily armored but quick). i think you will have a great time playing dark eldar more than you know at first.
anyway hope my advice helped and good luck!!!!1
Great firepower (Haywire Blasters, Dark Lance, Blaster, etc)
Ignore High T enemies (with our poisoned weapons Nids are all to easy)
High # of shots if you run an army of Venoms (6 troops of 5 warriors in venoms with 2 splinter cannons)
We have the most mobile army. We can move our transports further than anyone else and our transports and most of our units have Fleet
Out transports are open topped so everyone can shoot
Lots of our units are pretty cost inexpensive. We are no horde army (Orcs/Nids/IG) but we aren't expensive like SM
The army was recent updated so a great codex with cool new models. I would not buy Necrons until a codex comes out.
range tends to be nothing more than 36" (save the missiles) so not as playable in Apoc Games
Armor saves for most things tend to be 5+ or 6+
Hardest army to learn since if you make a mistake your squad can get shot dead with really no saves. Really you just have to play 50 games with them and then you get a feel of how to hide, how much to move, and what to shoot first.
Here is a solid DE Venom Spam list that has been doing well in tournies played by Dash:
HQ: Baron Sathonyx
Troop1-5: 5x Warriors, Blaster, Dual Splinter Cannon Venom
Troop6: 9x Wyches, Haywire Grenades, Raider
Elite1-3: 4x Trueborn with blasters, Dual Splinter Cannon Venom
Fast: Beast Unit
Heavy 1-3: Ravagers
DE are not an easy army to play, it's an army that doesn't allow for mistakes, think of it as a finely sharpened scapel dissecting parts of your opponents army and you get the bigger picture.
Their strenghts are, speed, shooting and HTH but in return they are extremely fragile, though there are methods to get around this, power from pain and heamoniculi.
Playing them as your first army could be tricky, you would really need to learn that rulebook really well, as they don't really play like any other army, there's lots of rules that other armies don't use that DE do, its important that you do this as they do have some really cool rules.
DE just got revamped last year and their new models are superb, the codex plays extremely well and they are also really balanced, what this means to me and you is that you can really play them anyway you choose, or perhaps get a theme to your army and expand from there.
If you are looking for a tournament army then you may wish just to get a venom spam army, however if you like the fluff which you indicated then you can build your army with the units you like then expand to add units that make the army work as a whole. Unlike most other armies DE allows for tons of different builds, i'd say i have had close to 30 games with them since the release last year and i'm still trying new things out all the time. No other army really offers this to the extent that DE does.
For example you can take, warriors, wracks, wyches and hellions as troops, this makes a lot of difference to play styles, you can go skimmer spam, skimmer Deepstrike spam(on the cheap, army of shadows) WWP army,kabalite, coven, wyche, flying circus and hybrids armies, the list isn't endless but there are a lot of options, infact more than any other codex, so you always have that element of surprise on your opponent, compared to other armies that seem static.
The main point i'm getting at here is if you don't mind losing until you learn the army, then you will never get bored with DE as the codex has so much to offer, playing fluffy themed lists, playing hybrid lists and tournament list, All of which seem to play really well and offers variety that you will find very hard to come by in other codex's.
hope this helps.
Last edited by dizzie; September 12th, 2011 at 14:10.
If you're always worried about crushing the ants beneath you...you won't be able to walk.
Thanks guys. Posting here and on TheDarkCity forum. I got a lot of helpful responses and can't wait to start making my army.