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Hey there fellow Archons, i just had my FIRST GAME (can you believe it... that's why i'ts in bold lol) with the newish/old DE codex about 2 hours ago & i just wanted to know are the Wyches (troop ones) good to take against Blood Angels because i ran 2 squads & they weren't doing very good in CC but i was hitting on 4's & wounding on 5's now was i doing that right?
Oh & i forgot to mention that i equipped one with hydra gauntlets, i also want to know what is the best way to equip them & should i have taken a Hekatrix? & are the Bloodbrides a better choice to take?
Any & all help is well appreciated thanx
p.s sorry if these questions before but my comp doesn't like the 'advance search' button
Wyches are indeed good, though a transport (with Grisly Trophies and possibly Enhanced Ethersails) is quite essential to them. Hekatrix with an Agoniser is also highly recommended since she can tear through Marines quite nicely. The best special weapons for the squad are the source of a lot of debate, but two wyches armed with Shardnet&Impaler seem to be a strong contender for the top-dog spot due to their ability to reduce enemy attacks. Finally, if you have the points, give them the haywire grenades so they can at least pretend to do something if they get charged by a Dreadnought.
Bloodbrydes are better, of course, but they cost more and can't hold an objective. I personally always run a unit of 9 Bloodbrydes with two Razorflails and one Shardnet+Impaler, a Syren with Agoniser and grenades for the unit if I can afford them. Raider with Grisly Trophies (and Enhanced Ethersails if points allow) to transport the Brydes and an accompanying Archon is a must, naturally.
Thanx for the advice, i will do that next time cheers
I would say the HwG are most mandatory, after the Agoniser, but they seem to under-perform for me lately. Haywire is great vs vehicles and that you could see plenty in 5th.
I personally haven't tried BB myself because I'm looking elsewhere for elites. The venom dakka spam really is the current meta, just drown them in shots, Razorwing helps a lot there.
I personally like a pain token for my wyches with S&I to take irritatingly lot of Cover FnP saves but I have seen the efficacy of wracks with a heamy, just sweet, those two LG guns eat most of the unit and if you still can charge them you benefit from RR to wound.
That's the best drugs (Painbringer) for wyches vs marines (and most anything) in my experience makes most out of your Agoniser and all whyches.
I prefer S&I because it works vs any enemy model, so an effective tar pit for dreads, if you are lucky with dodges and keep a Grisley Trophy closeby. The other special weapons aren't really appealing to me on wyches. For blood bribes I would also consider Razorflails.
Truly, wyches with haywire grenades must be our least useless assault response to dreadnoughts. Their inv save in assault is also gold.
I run my wyches in squads of 9 with a haemonculous. The wyches have a hekatrix, agoniser, and haywire grenades. The haemy has a venom blade and liquifier gun.
They all ride in a raider. The wyches dismount and leave the haemy behind, but they keep the pain token for FNP. The haemy just rolls around and templates the crap out of stuff.
I don't buy any of the other weapon upgrades. They don't seem to do much for me. The shardnet is nice if you get into it with an IC, MC, or powerfist sergeants, but you have to get it to line up just right.
wracks have two poison attacks which are special weapons, so if you swap one out for another special weapon not of the same type then you lose the extra attack for having an extra close combat weapon, its obviously imo a typo in the codex or something they never noticed when playtesting.
as for wyches and haywires, they are funky, but make sure you have FNP or you will most likely lose 50% of your squad, for against dreadnoughts its a last case secenario, only do this if you have to... Also remember that when the dreadnough is imobilised you only need to beat its WS to hit with the grenade instead of 6's, something i seem to forget a lot.
Last edited by dizzie; October 3rd, 2011 at 23:53.
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