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I was reading through the codex and was wondering if this was possible and legal rules wise. Here goes:
I take a C'tan shard with Writhing Worldscape, difficult terrain becomes dangerous terrain for your opponent to move through.
Now if I take Orikan the Diviner, his Temporal Snares makes any of your enemy units' move as if in difficult terrain.
Also, if I use the Cryptek's Tremor Stave, which causes event units hit by it to move as if in difficult terrain.
My thoughts are this: does Writhing Worldscape turn both of these instances into dangerous terrain tests as well?
I would think so, yes.
Very gimmicky, but probably very effective aswell.
A quick FaQ would be nice though.. :x
no, because they are not in difficult terrain, they are just moving like someone who is in difficult terrain
'Whilst the C'tan Shard is on the battlefield, all difficult terrain is also dangerous for the enemy.'
'During the first game turn, all enemy units that move count as moving through difficult terrain.'
'All enemy units hit by a weapon with the Quake type treat open ground as difficult terrain during their next Movement phase.'
Could see it go either way, don't see why it wouldn't work strict RaW-wise though - enemy treats open as difficult terrain, but all difficult terrain is dangerous to enemy, thus logically enemy also treats open as dangerous terrain.
It's one of those things that doesn't seem entirely 'right' however, which is why I'm guessing it'll be FaQed to not work out that way.
I would be inclined to say "yes", but there is some debate over "is difficult terrain" and "treats as difficult terrain".
RAW, you have two different situations so my answer would be No (Orianik) and Yes (Tremorstave).
The C'Tan specifically says, "all difficult terrain is also dangerous" meaning anything labeled difficult now counts as dangerous.
Against Oriakin, it will not work because he says targets "count as moving through difficult terrain". The terrain they are moving through may not necessarily be labeled difficult, just that their movement is impaired as if it were.
Against Tremorstaves, it will work because it says targets "treat open ground as difficult terrain". As the open ground is now labeled difficult, the other ability kicks in and upgrades the label to dangerous.
theres a big difference between "is" and "treated as" no way in hell could those circumstances be treated as dangerous
writhing worldscape = difficult terain IS also dangerous
difficult terrain is difficult terrain
open ground TREATED AS difficult gound is not difficult terrain
Edit - ..... after further consideration and reading the codex i have to agree with XIII
Last edited by Roboute Guilliman; November 7th, 2011 at 01:47.
I have to say yes too. Only because the reverse is true with Quantum shielding and lances. Our Ghost ark is AV 11, however COUNTS AS 13 until penned means Lances can use it as armor 12. Same issue came up in another thread. Counts as is equal to being in actual difficult terrain. Basically for one turn you're having your opponent stand still, or risk some fun. Personally, LOVE IT! +rep
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There is a line of definition here though. If the c'tan shard is on the battlefield, it changes the definition of difficult terrain to dangerous terrain. Therefore, anything that either is or counts as difficult terrain is considered dangerous. To say that "count as" is different than actually doing something would completely undermine the entire game we are talking about. Everything "counts as" in warhammer, the miniatures are not actually firing guns, and they aren't actually moving through any terrain at all. Granted, It can be garunteed that a FAQ will come out and change the wording, therefore making my argument invalid. But until then, "counts as", and "is" are essentially the same thing.
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Question about this. Unit of Assault Marines DS into difficult terrain... do they roll 1 and 2 for their Dangerous Terrain test?