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Okay, I'm a little bored and so I decided to do a new thread here since there hasn't been much going on in the Eldar Forum these days. And yes I know there have been endless threads with how would you like to see certain units improved etc...but thats not what this is about. This is about the Fundamental changes to the codex itself as well as new additions to the codex. We've all thought about it at one point or another so voice your thoughts on the matter.
So all the rumours are saying that this summer the 6th edition rulebook is being released and that the Eldar codex is going to be the first to be updated with 6th in play. A big rumor for the 6th (Please note that this is only rumour and nothing has been offically announced) is that it is going to implement flyers into the game. Vehicles such as the Storm Raven and Valkyrie will probably get a rules update if this is true because they can count as flyers in Apocalypse.
So what I expect to see is a couple of flyers from Apocalypse appearing in the codex, not the super heavies obviously but ones like the Phoenix and Nightwing? (I think I've got the right name for it. :p)
The Night Spinner will of course make its grand appearance since it has been made offical for a while now. I would hope to see a couple of new Phoenix Lords for the Shining Spears and Warp Spiders primarily, since the Phoenix Lord is the 1st Exarch of the Aspect, as well as for any new Aspects they decide to add to our existing lot.
As with the last few codexs to be realeased I think we may see an upgrade character or two, since they seem to be GWs newest regular addition to new Codexs. Possibly a Warlock upgrade character? I'm not sure where else they could fit such an upgrade, unless of course they make Phoenix Lords upgrade Characters......but that seems a little to big of a stretch, and not one I'm sure I'd like or not. Might see a Phoenix Lord more often if that was to be the case but this is just me voicing my thoughts.
The next big question is how much of the current Apocalypse only units make it into the new codex?
These come to mind but will the make it into the codex or not?
So what do you guys think? Heard any rumours to add to the pile or just want to voice your opinions on the matter?
Good thread - firstly, I don't believe we will get any of the recent FW models in the new codex unless GW decide to allow FW models somehow, too much investment is put into creating this models, that it takes a long time before they move to plastic. However saying that, I do think that we will see the either he Phoenix or an upgraded nightwing. I say upgraded because frankly an av10 vehicle with 2 bs4 bright lances will not last past the opponents first turn.
Other thoughts- i'd like to see a warpspiders Phoenix lord and it would be plausible to allow Phoenix lords to take their aspects as troops, but Asurman obviously won't benefit from this.
I think we will see the jet bikes get an upgrade, especially as the prototype sculpt has been around for years.
If we were to get a new aspect, could it be something super armoured like an elder version of a terminator?
As regards other models I'm stumped because I truly think that our model range has weathered the test of time remarkably well.
I certainly hope to see a couple of new Phoenix lord models, it would be a nice boost to the phoenix court of Khaine as well. ^^
Perhaps we will see the arrival of a non-IC single HQ character, after all Blood angels and Grey knights have one. I really hope not as these characters have major weaknesses that are obvious to everyone after a single game playing against/using them.
One thing that I would really appreciate is an assault vehicle, or at the very least another type of Dedicated transport. While the wave serpent is good, its expensive to mount every unit in one at 100pts base cost.
I agree, an assault vehicle would be awesome. Having banshees and scorps with alpha strike capabilities would be interesting. Many of the tricks that our dark brethren have, warp gates venoms etc, should be available to us, but I can't see GW doing this as they will want the armies to play differently.
Given that this thread is not about improving our current units I would like some new vehicles.
What had really caught my attention was centence in the DE Codex that in the description of Venoms the author mention that this vehicles was originated from the Chariots of the ancient Eldar. I am not sure how can GW made a vehcile chariot using the Vyper/Venom models but it would be certainly a great addittion in our Codex. I imagine it having a shield that would protect it from enemies blows and have a small transport capacity. I didn't expect that to come into being but with the realese of the new Necrons this idea come back after seeing the Annihilation Barage. I can imagine the vehicle to be a transport for our HQ's too. Imagine Yriel flying on it
I expect to see something like the FW wraithseer. I mean... BA have psycher dreadnaughts why not Eldar. They are ment to be masters of the Psyhic abilities!
What could also be changed is that our psyhic powers could alter not only fate but time and space alike. Similarly like the effect of the Lychguards dispertion shields it would be great to see a power that could deliver the shoots taken from a unit back to it! As for the time it could work like a spell in the strom of magic that would allowed us to repeat our shooting phase with one unit!!!
A much as I'd like to see Spectres, Wraithguard et al. included, I don't think it'll happen. There was uproar when they included a load of the FW stuff in with the IG codex, so I think that's unlikely, even though I'd love to see their inclusion.
I think an assault vehicle is a must. And I am absolutely crying out for a Fast Attack choice that isn't totally awful. I'd be quite happy to see Hawks and Spears dropped altogether... and Harlequins for elites. They look fantastic, but they're totally uncompetitive. Unless we see a points/wargear change I'm not sure we'll see much good come out of them... And judging by the Harlies in the new DE codex, nothing will change. I'd quite like to see a Fast Attack psycher unit. Maybe on jetbikes, or with jetpacks. That'd be fantastic. Not like a seer council, but maybe with some shooting psychic attacks, like destructor. And maybe an additional troops choice. I hope they'll include corsairs, so Yriel can finally belong somewhere
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"Reached under the bed and pulled out a Converse and a beer, I appear to of developed the miraculous power to turn shoes into beer!.... or beer into shoes." - Fallen Autarch after St. Patricks day.
Well for my thoughts on what might happen.
First of all I see a decent chunk being taken out of our wave serpent rule, either in the main book (e.g. melta weapons no longer really viable so everyone loads up on the S7 multiple shot spam) or directly to the codex (doesn't work against things like the vindicare rifle, or like weapons). Then I foresee a rapid decrease in points cost, like perhaps 40 points or more less expensive, to try to make up for this.
Next something like the Boneseer being introduced, as a low points Farseer HQ proxy for smaller games. Perhaps something else like it for the Autarch too.
I think we will be getting the nightwing or another flyer. Woo more competition for the heavy support choice!
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if our HQ gets a chariot like upgrade thing, like the necrons and their floating HQ platform.
I would expect either a big buff to the wraithlord or another better MC. Seems to be one of GW's more recent money making ideas, though I doubt it will be as good as everyone thinks it will be. You know that trap buy thats 65$ and looks big and scary, but doesn't really do much on the field.
I would expect a few more named characters, from different craftworlds. Like one on a bike from Saim-hann.
I also see a great increase in the effectiveness of bike squads. This I would expect to mainly come from a rules change in the 6th edition book, but also from the inclusion of different heavy weapons in biker squads.
I dont really know what they will do with the fast attack. Maybe they will push the war walkers into it as they seem to be herded into a scout role fluff wise.
Dragons are going to get less potent someway or another. Lets just hope its just like a S reduction against non-vehicles, and not some overarching rule that makes their play-style ineffective.
Hopefully we get some army rule. Probably going to make it easier for us to field more FA and Elite choices than other armies.
Also a little less choice when it comes to psychic powers. Probably will come with more wargear centric choices.
I bet sniper rifles are going to get buffed, so it wont be so odd to see a pathfinder squad or two.
If I could predict any sweeping changes it would be a army list change to focus on a few camps. In total I expect GW, in some way, to make it so eldar play mainly one of a couple lists. An all bike Saim-hann list (with special HQ that buffs the bikes probably), a psychic power destruction kind of list with more and better psykers, or the classic wave serpent aspect warrior wave list. Not quite sure if this will be a good thing, as its never bad to have more than one way of playing, but at the same time do I really want to go buy 30+ more bikes to be competitive? I don't know.
Anyways thats what I believe will happen.
Yes as in the book.
And get dem Dragons out of dem Falcons! Downright embarisin sometimes.