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I'm in the middle of building a Necron army that was originally going to be footslog (Their number is Legion, their name is death etc.) and I have realised that I have bought 4 vehicles because they are so awesome (Annihilation barges, Command Barges).
Is there any way to make a competitive footslog list? Even a hybrid list? I'm not entirely sure as I think the previously mentioned units are some of the most cost effective units in the codex. This might just be a case of me not thinking outside the box but I'm not so sure.
Thanks in advance guys,
Pure foot, no.
Hybrid, possibly, but you have to be a good player.
Pure mech, hell yes.
Pure foot (meaning no vehicles at all) is not.
Hybrid (with Troops on foot with Heavy Support vehicles and CCBs) is.
Demi-Mechanized (with Warriors on both Arks and on foot), certainly.
Full-Mechanized (with everyone aboard something), certainly.
If you want to recreate the old-school Necron feeling, I would recommend Zhandrekh and Obyron with CCB, the usual assortment of Crypteks, lots of foot-slogging Immortals as Troops and full contingent of Heavy Support vehicles.
Last edited by Polaria; March 2nd, 2012 at 08:13.
Revenant Moon Necrons: (W/L/D) 0/1/0 (6th edition: 13/2/2)(5th edition: 14/6/4)(3rd edition Codex: 16/4/7)
XIX Legion: (W/L/D) 0/0/0 (5th edition: 14/12/2)(5th edition Codex: 4/3/0)
Black Legion: (W/L/D) 1/0/0 (6th edition: 2/3/0)
Something Wicked... Reikwald Beastmen: (W/L/D) 10/4/1
I argue whether footslogging is completely out the window just because we like to believe our meta is in favor of mech. I maintain this stance because friends would constantly tell me that my footslogging Orks had no chance against their competitive lists (which, although I myself never went to the local GW nor attended any tournaments, their lists would consistently place top 3) and in turn, I would consistently mop the floor with them. Of course, Necrons are NOT Orks, but this experience lends evidence to refute the position that "only mech lists can win" simply for the sake that they're mech lists.
Having said that, I do not thing a pure footslogging Necron list can be viable, but not just for the sake of "footslogging lists can never be viable." We do have viable footslogging options, but these are far less reliable without mech support. A good example of this is a Phaeron leading a blob of 15-20x Warriors -- potentially very difficult to remove, even in close combat if built right, but loses a significant portion of its durability without Ghost Ark support for the Repair Barge rules replenishing d3 Warriors per turn. Other non-mech options include the new Veiltek Flying Circus, Tesla Immortals on foot, and Canoptek Wraiths. The latter, however, I consider to be "mech-equivalent" due to the fact that they love to attract anti-mech firepower (since statistically, Str 8 weapons have similar odds of inflicting instant death as they do penetrating AV11, 9->AV12, and 10->AV13, and that is not taking into account damage table rolls, which would make vehicles more durable, but Wraiths also have multiple models.. so it kind of balances out).
There are a few ways to build a solid competitive Necron list, but they are almost always either hybrid or AV 13 spam. This is due mostly to the fact that Wraiths and Annihilation Barges are so cost effective, Ghost Arks are great support for Warriors and can sometimes dish out significant support fire, and Bargelords are so damn effective.
The simple and only reason Flootslogging Necrons are not effective is we NEED to avoid getting assaulted! There's too many fast armies out there and I see those armies just charging you head first and trying to sweep squads left and right. That's my 2 cents. The mobility is huge with mech.
"There is only do, or do not. There is no try." - Yoda
So It's fair to say that I'm on track with the AV13, seeing as in 1000 points I will be running 3 AV13 and 3 MC's, which must be a handful for any army.
I was just wondering as I would have liked to be able to make a horde army. Would it be an efficient use of points to have at least one blob of Warriors with a Ghost Ark as support? I just want the feeling of me being inexorable, grinding down the enemy in a war of attrition.
Last edited by Spittle72; March 2nd, 2012 at 19:49.
The only case for running 20x is to maximize the use of a Phaeron's relentless special rule, but then I wouldn't run them without an Scythe/Shackle/Orb Lord and Gazetek.. and that gets to be quite expensive, especially when you add in other insurances such as 1-2 Ghost Arks for repairs, Scarabs for bubble wrap, an MC or Wraiths for counter assault support... etc.. all dedicated to that one unit.
Actually, I think that footslogging lists CAN be competitively viable. I know how precious mobility is, but I still hold the belief that footslogging lists have certain advantages over hybrid/mechanised ones.
If someone participates in a tourney, he should be prepared for everything, which means that he should include enough anti-tank in order to succesfully encounter fully mechanised armies (which are extremely common). Therefore, by fielding a full-footslogging list, you force your opponent to completely waste all of his anti-tank firepower (which usually is a large part of his force). And with 100 Necron models in the battlefield along with 3-4 Night Fighting turns, we should really not be afraid of anything.
If you include some Deep Strike and some Infiltrators, you should catch up in objective games and with that much power, speed and "battlefield control" is an unnecessary luxury.
Last edited by TheNightbringer; March 2nd, 2012 at 22:22.