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I'm double posting here but I have a comment to make on the Newbie FAQ.
The warrior tactics section has this tip:My problem with this is that the warriors described here are not in close combat because none of them are in base-to-base contact.ArchonAstarothÂ* Sep 18 2003, 06:42
I use my warriors leaping, with scything talons and rending claws, extended carapace and eventually flesh hooks. The other statline upgrades depend on my opponent.
I always use them in combination with gaunt hordes: A line of gaunts is in base contact with the enemy, the warriors stay behind and contribute their attacks from 2" away (thanx to the leaping ability). This way they're safe from power fists and other attacks - each hit on a warrior costs you more than a hit on a gaunt. This also works great with leaping ripper swarms with rending claw mutants.
Page 38 of the fourth edition rules defines engaged as:Similarly, the "Didn't make it?" section states:...in base-to-base contact, or within 2" of a model from its own unit in base-to-base contact...Just to rub it in, the "Who can fight?" section lists only:If the unit's move is insufficient to reach at least one target unit then the charge does not proceed.and:Models in base-to-base contact with an enemy model.I see a lot of 'nid players doing this kind of thing and hardly anyone ever complains but the rules are pretty clear. I still think that leaping is worthwhile for the increased assault range but the often quoted 6 + D6 + 12 + 4 is too ambitious by 4 inches. That 4 inches is only really a benefit for large broods that are three rows deep.Models within 2" of a friendly model of the same unit which is itself in base-to-base contact...
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Ya, I was confused about that and someone told me you just need to get in that 2/4" range. Then I read the rules and was confused more then I asked on the board and someone said the same thing.
I'll remember to circle around to the back with my warriors.
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Yes at least one of the members of the unit must be incontact. Soemtimes your swarm of gaunts will completely encircle a unit, and not die. SO sometimes warriors or tyrants have to sit outsid e a comabt and wait for a spot to open up. However even if only one member is in base to base then the rest of the leapers within 4" of your model that is in base to base (yes your model) still get all their attacks as if in base to base.
In the newbie thread:--- I can dig up my entire original response to the original post (since the quote at the Newb FAQ was taken from an even older thread), but that contains pretty much the same thing as You already posted, Waaagh!Originally posted by Uzi-99@Sep 9 2004, 23:42
--- Thing to bear in mind with this old quote is that creatures with Leaping must charge in order to fight in CC... And for that to happen, at least one model in the brood needs to reach BtB with it's assault move. Also, other models of the assaulting brood must be moved into BtB contact where possible, making this tactic not that easy to execute.
Essentially, this issue has been clarified and is plainly in sight for those who have the patience to read through the entire post.
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