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ok, I've read the archives and it's come up several times on these forums, and people have stated with absolute certainty that the C'tan do not need the opponents permission to play with them.
Today I played a game (I'll get to that later) but I fielded the nightbringer, and assured him that I didn't need his permission, taking my word for it, we continued and finished the game. after it was over, this other guy basically called me a cheater and dared me to show it to him where my c'tan doesn't need to ask permission to play. He showed me that the C'tan are listed in the "Special Characters" section of the codex, (in big letters at the top of the page SPECIAL CHARACTERS) and I felt really stupid, and didn't know what to say, I pointed at my 4.0 faq pdf I had printed, but under C'tan it says nothing about needing permission, so dissmayed, I told the whole gaming club that I would be back and show them that I really don't need permission.
So, I looked all over these forums, and nobody has cited a page in the rulebook or codex that says specifically that I don't need permission. someone mentioned in the 4th ed rules, nobody needs permission for special characters? but where can I find that, and does that mean his Furioso uber dreadnaught (or whatever) doesn't need permission either?? Can someone please help??
oh yeah, about the game, I had 20 warriors, a c'tan and a monolith, he had a dread, death company, and other blood angels, it was a 1000 point game. to summarize it, I did, at no point take any casualties, and the monolith survived the game, I destroyed every last of his vehicles and units to the last man :-D
but back to the question.... what can I tell them?!?
Well it was in Chapter Approved - Codex: Necrons Q&A (v2.0), but they re-did all the Chapter Approved and it's not in the new one... I printed the one that says it back in v2.0. I could scan it and e-mail it to you.
You could always call the rulez boyz.
Other than that the only thing I can talle you is: Ask him where it says you HAVE to ask; all it says in the core rule book is that some SCs can be over powering in some cases and that SOME require permission (some). Thats all I can say :closedeyes: ...
there was a post not so long ago about this exact thing. someone phoned game workshop's hotline and asked. no you dont need permission. the rule is if it says you have to ask, you have to ask, otherwise you dont have to ask.
Your opponents permission is only needed when the codex entry specifically states that your opponent's permission is nedded. The location of the entry (HQ/TR/Special Characters) makes no difference to this.
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Yes thatĀ“s true you neednĀ“t permission. Your enemy should make more balanced armies for beating buig creatures armies.Originally posted by Corianis@Nov 16 2004, 23:58
Your opponents permission is only needed when the codex entry specifically states that your opponent's permission is nedded. The location of the entry (HQ/TR/Special Characters) makes no difference to this.[snapback]251721[/snapback]
in the other hang i donĀ“t think the CĀ“tans are cheesy.
page 52 of the 4th ed. rulebook.
Under special characters it states that there are usually restrictions on the use of special characters to certain sizes of army, or particular opponents. Some can only be used if your opponent agrees.
When this is the case though it is always stated in the codex. In the necron codex there are no restrictions on using a c'tan, so you can therefore use him in any points game.
This point was clarified in the original FAQ as had been mentioned already.
If the other guy is calling you a cheat, next time you play him ask for a copy of his army list and codex and go through it with a fine tooth comb.
It might be that he has poor social skills or is just a dumb ass, but usually those that shout cheater, are doing it themselves!! If someone makes a mistake in our games we'll just point out the mistake and it'll be rectified for the next game.
yup sounds like a crappy player that cant take a loss. You dont need permission unless stated in your codex simple as that.
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On that note, is permission required to use shrike from raven guard?
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No you needn't ask to use SHrike. Here't he deal, ONE all special characters are balanced ot theri restrictive point's cost. TWO, here's the kicker. About a year ago,b efore chaopter approved '04 GW ahd all these cool Special Character Models...but guess what? NO one was buying them, why?
SM Player: "Hey man is it cool if I use Marneus Calgar?"
Opponenet: "he's a special Character, Hell no! I don't know if he's cheap ornot!"
SO...to fix this AND get people tp purchase the lackl uster Special Characters GW declared that NO< you no longer need an opponenet's permissiont o field a SPecial Character. SOme say "If it says so int he codex's" Well, about 80% of the codexes are out dated, so you can' go by that rule. IS the C'tan cheap? No. Do I hate him? Yes. But I LOVE when they die. Nowhere in any codex Tau/Necron/New 'Nid or beyond does it say you need to ask your opponents permission. Why? Because they want your Money for theses special Characters, and because they ade them to be use don the field. A few Example syou can check to see that I am correct here-
-Lord Inquisiotor TorquemadeaCoteaz
-Brother Captain Stern
-Inquisitor Lord Karamazov
-The Emperor's Champion
-Old One EYe
-The Red Terror
-Captain Kayvaan Shrike
-Ultramarines Honour Guard
-Tyrannic War Veterans
-Chief Librarian Tigurius
-Abaddon the Despoiler
-Kharne the Betrayer
-Ahriman of the Tousand Sons
-Typhus Herald of Nurgle
-Luscius the Eternal
-Lord Castellan Ursekar R. Creed
-Seargent Jarren Kell
-Commisar Ibrahm Gaunt
-The Last Chancers
That should make my point. Show THAT to your opponenet, and if he;'s blood angels sugggest he gets Lord Dante Mephiston,Moriar,Chaplain Lemartes,Brother Corbulo, Or the Seargent guy who died at Armeggedon. The Blood Angels are anarmy that REALLY benefit fromt his rule having I think...Six special characters to themselves?
Show that to the poor sport and thena sk how manyt imes he's played Necrons? The C'tan, The Nightbringer In general is someone I see ALOT. Know what? Big deal. Play on NEcronian,.and use your Nightbringer,a nd ***** ont hose who would chastise you for their lack of ability to deal with him.
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Well said, Faust! thank you (Y)