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    In the Tau FAQ for Aun'shi it says he can only parry "the attacks of an enemy character in base-to-base contact." That seems a little ambiguous to me.. does that mean he can only parry the attacks of enemy characters and not the normal guys (which seems to go completely AGAINST the codex, instead of clarifying it as the FAQ is supposed to do) or he can parry the attacks of anyone, but only against characters if they're in base-to-base with him (which seems rather obvious since that's the only way he'll be engaged).

    Originally posted by bean
    Though it is an indication that the GW writing staff should work on their (combined) grammar.


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    Originally posted by Dalahir@Mar 13 2005, 09:18
    (which seems to go completely AGAINST the codex, instead of clarifying it as the FAQ is supposed to do)
    --- Join the club, Tyranids had a similar issue with Rending Claws and Tyranid MCs... The Codex was perfectly clear, but GW decided to "clarify" it and in this case the "clarification" only made it more confusing. :hmm:

    Although I'm very hard-line about adhering to FAQs, there are some specific rulings I suggest people should just ignore... In this case, just take the definition of "character" to mean "model".

    Do remember to send clarification requests to GW... They'll figure the problem out eventually, and hopefully actually clarify it this time. (Y)


    And no, it's still the Majority Rules and Mixed Armour for Drones...
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    Originally posted by Uzi-99@Mar 13 2005, 20:33
    Do remember to send clarification requests to GW... They'll figure the problem out eventually, and hopefully actually clarify it this time. (Y)
    I hadn't thought of that, is there an email I can the clarification requests to? I've managed to get a collection of ambiguities with the Tau codex.. it'd be good to get them all sorted out.

    I'll post 'em here too in case anyone knows the answers.

    • Using a markerlight and a hard-wired multi-tracker to shoot the light and another weapon.
    • If ethereals can re-roll their own morale tests. They are a Tau unit (certainly not kroot nor a drone).
    • What happens when a independent character joins a stealth team. Any drones controlled by a model in a stealthsuit are shielded for free, doesn't say anything about anything else being a part of the units.
    • What happens if you take two Ethereals? Aun'shi doesn't come from the usual Ethereal unit entry, so technically doesn't count towards the 0-1 restriction (I think..). This would mean you could take Aun'shi AND a second Ethereal. I want to include a second one in my army (Aun'saal) who is aspiring to follow in the footsteps of Aun'shi, he's gotta retire/die/disappear eventually. Do Ethereals revere each other the same way the other castes do? Would Aun'shi freak out if his protegé died? If you did this, you could hide the ethereal away at the back, and if Aun'shi falls in combat it won't matter (much), since any morale checks caused by the Price of Failure can be re-rolled.

    EDIT: Nevermind my question about the email, I found it on the GW site.

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    Your reading is correct. Aun'shi can only parry the attacks of characters.

    Yes, this sucks.
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    I just got the email back, and here's what he had to say, in case anyone is interested with those other rules.

    Originally posted by Hobby Services (Frank Taylor to be precise)
    Heya dude,

    Interesting questions!
    Here's some answers for you.

    1. The rules on page 19 of the Tau Codex state that the markerlight can
    be used only "...instead of their other weapons." That means
    multi-trackers don't get around this limitation.

    2. According to the rules, the Ethereal does get to re-roll his tests.
    Honestly it's not going to happen very often, as he becomes fearless if
    he joins a squad.

    3. Looks like this isn't covered in the rules. I'd suggest posting it on
    the games development forums. The only possible interpretation I can see
    is the rules for stealth armour say "enemy models firing at stealth
    armour troopers". When firing at a unit of a character and stealth
    suits, you're is not firing at stealth armour troopers, so that rule
    would not apply!

    4. There is no restriction on taking Aun-shi and an ethereal in your
    army.

    5. This is interesting. According to the FAQ, you can only use it
    against characters! I guess the only time that it'll matter is when
    you're being attacked by troops with more than 1 basic attack, but as
    the rule stands, it can only be used against characters!

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    Damn.. that makes Aun'shi really crap!! The only use of the Parry really, is to give up one attack, and reduce 20 something orks' attacks, or anything with extra hand weapons. Against characters, you'll be losing just as much as the enemy is. LAME!!

    I'm kinda peeved about that now.. let's bomb whoever wrote that FAQ! :realmad: :realmad: :realmad:

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    I suppose fluffwise the Aun'shi is concentrating on the most lethal-looking opponents, in this case squad leaders and such... And of course enemy ICs.

    The constructive thing to do is post it:

    1. In the Official GW development forums (it actually has a slight chance of getting real studio feedback )

    2. Re-post it a few times to both the US and UK mail-order lines, to get the opinions of multiple "hobby specialists".

    And remember, courteousness and politeness carry a longer way than being peeved! (Y)
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    There's actually a really clear rule about an IC joining stealth suits, the IC voids the stealthy ability for the whole squad. In other words, it isn't a good idea. Also, am IC within 6" of a stealth squad is still a valid target, as the enemy can't see the squad to distract them.


    This bullcrap about the FAQ is rediculous. Some poeple will seize upon any chance to cause drama at any slight opportunity for a misinterpretation of some phrase. SOmetimes, I'm convinced they could not phrase something clearly enough to prevent misinterpretation. It is clear that they just meant to say "model" but referred to them as models instead. There actually are no "characters" only Independent Characters.

    To make things worse, emailing or calling for clarification doesn't help. They hire fanboys at $8/hr or less to answer these things. If the question is anything less than obvious, they won't neccesarily know, and you'll get different answers if you ask more than once. That guy obviously had not previously considered the question, nor did he know of any "official" answer......he just said "well, gee, then I guess you can't." He also had no clue about the stealth squad issue.

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    Even if you discount his parry ability, Aun'shi is still an excellent buy.

    A normal Aun is 50 points... add in an Honour Blade (+10), a HW Shield Generator (~+25), Photon Grenades (+1) and EMP Grendades (+3) and you're already at 79 points. Judging by the Ork Fighter upgrade you can value his stat improvements at ~+15 points bringing him to 94 points. Then if we estimate the stat improvements that he grants to the squad he joins and the fact that any unit he is with counts as scoring even if they're below 50% (a very useful ability in 4th edition&#33 as ~15 points, we're already to a total worth of ~109 points... which is more than he costs.

    And again, this analysis completely neglects his parry ability. IMO, Aun'shi is one of the best special characters in the game in a cost/value sense.
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    i ahvent read the tau faq but have just read the codex entry for aunshui, no whre does it say it has to be attacks allocated to enemy chracters, it says enemy opponents.
    i ahvent quoted it in case of copyright breach,
    but its on p52 under his special rules
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    Originally posted by cadre_of_storms@Mar 14 2005, 17:12
    i ahvent read the tau faq but have just read the codex entry for aunshui, no whre does it say it has to be attacks allocated to enemy chracters, it says enemy opponents.
    i ahvent quoted it in case of copyright breach,
    but its on p52 under his special rules
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    Right. Now read the FAQ. It clearly says his parry ability may only be used against enemy characters.
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