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This thought has crossed my mind a few times and I need to ask everyone. Why don't the eldar make uber eldar like the imperium makes marines, you think they would have taken the hint by now. I can only imagine how much better the super eldar would be than the space marine. The eldar are the most technologically advanced race and their has got to be some way they can copy the technique or even find a new way. I know this could never happen though because it would dwarf the space marines which is their golden child (and we're the red headed step child) LOL. Anyway tell me what you think on the subject or any fluff with a piece of info would be greatly appreiciated.
Bane of the Mon'keig
I would assume the main reason they haven't altered some of their warriors is because it goes against what Eldar stand for, which is more of a naturalistic approach to mastering various skills. I would imagine many Eldar would look down on experimenting on their own, even if those experiments were conducted on volunteers.
That, plus the Eldar don't really need to improve themselves. Of course it would be beneficial, but they already hold their own against Space Marines. Gamewise, as you stated, they have to keep the armies more balanced towards each other.
The final thing to keep in mind is that the Space Marines were created from the DNA of the Emperor - a living god. The Eldar have no living god (only the Avatars, which aren't living and presumably don't have DNA to harvest) from which to draw upon in a similar manner. Surely they could alter themselves somewhat with the technology they have, but again, I assume they just figure its largely unnecessary. Keep in mind that no Eldar except Exarch's are dedicated, life-long warriors...they drift from path to path, often becoming a warrior for a short time before moving on. Even Aspect Warriors only spend a few decades as soldiers, so making super-soldiers doesn't really fit into the Eldar way of life at all.
Yeah you make a very good point, the eldar don't need it, I was kinda in a "what if" state of mine when I posted. But imagine if those limitations didn't exist (in a imaginary world) just imagine how good those warriors would be. Having gotten DNA from a phoenix lord or somehow from a avatar... If you had to make a stat line for sometheing like that what would it look like. Again, I know it would never happen I just wanna humor myself.
Super Eldar WS BS S T W I A L Sv
4 4 4 4 1 5/6 1 9/10 4+/3+
I have no idea how much they would cost because I'm horrible at calculating points values. Please tell me what you think (besides that it would never happen as I already know) and if you have any stat line ideas feel free to post them.
I dont now what that stat line says but i would say a super eldar would be something like this
PTS WS BS S T W I LD
100 10 6 7 7 4 7 10
can move and assult 12"
super strong:they alway strike using initiative
Nothing at all wrong with the "what if" state of mind - its where inspiration and ideas come from. The good news is that fluff aside, you can still field a major elite Eldar army if you use Biel Tan rules and go all Aspect.
That's what's really great about Eldar. You can field mechanized armies with them, or small armies full of elite troops, or horde armies comprised mostly of Guardians, focus on either shooting, assault, or mix the two together...they are extremely versatile and don't have to be played the same by any two players. This kind of versatility can't really be found in any other army save for Chaos, and maybe Space Marines (imagine Tyranids who focussed on shooting, or Tau who focussed on assault...would never happen).
Although I think some even more elite Eldar could be fun (like the ones indicated in the stats you posted), I'm also glad that we're not Space Marines...too many of them anyway, and we Eldar want to focus on our own strengths, not what makes another army strong.
In fact I play a Biel-Tan army and I kick butt with them, I was just thinking what a eldar would be like if they could do the whole genetic modification like space marines. If the eldar did find a way there would be no stopping them. But the eldar are fine the way they are and i cant imagine them doing such a thing. And again if anyone has some input feel welcome to post it.
But we do upgrade our troops. Not genetically as the marines do of course, but instead in our own way. Our Aspect Warriors channel the essence of Khaine, infusing themselves with his might. To me, this is much more powerful than simply borrowing his DNA.
I'll give you 5 reasons why:
1) The Eldar don't have genetic material from the most powerful psyker in the known universe as a genetic base for their super army.
2) The Eldar don't reproduce fast enough to selectively breed desireable traits into their offspring to make them stronger, faster, more perceptive, etc.
3) The Eldar can't clone themselves or artificially propogate, they've tried numerous times and failed. Something about Eldar psiology makes it impossible, and that's why they're slowly dying out.
4) The Eldar are frail and there simply arn't enough of them still alive... to risk losing 99 out of 100 eldar candidates during the "training process". Where human life is expendable and 99 human deaths to produce 1 space marine is considered an acceptable loss.
5) The Eldar are already overpowered and dont need more rediculous crap beyond what they already have.
eldar don't need to enhance themselves spacemarine style.
firstly, they're good enough. IMO a scorpion is probably better than an assault marine (if you want to ignore the pt difference pretend he doesn't have a mandiblaster and compare him to a chaos marine with cc weapons) (and i'm thinking scorpion here because as space marines are warriors of the imperium is fairer to compare them to aspect warriors than guardians)
secondly can you imagine eldar ever playing with their genes? it just can't happen.
but in a "what if" mode, those guys would rock! but i'd imagine they'd be more in the form of absolutely unbeatable psykers as opposed to warriors. can you imagine an army of cloned elrad ulthrans?
The eldar do have super warriors, they're called aspect warriors and exarches.
They are the fruits eldar technology combined with a very long lifetime of training, and in the right situation, they're just as good, if not better, than any marine.