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i want to buy a ctan but i cant decide which one to get. i like the nightbringers game abilities better, and would actually use him, but the deciever has a much cooler model. i was thinking of just buying a deciever and playing it as the nightbringer, since my friends dont care, and they can change their apearance at will. what do you guys think.
what type of armies do your friends play... as it will depend on the c'tan model..
To tell you the truth, the NB is in my opinion the better looking model, and the better model in every other way. The whole Decieve abilities just came accross as rather.... poo.
The NB is a death machine, with better stats, ( Except Init, but I wouldnt sacrifice, I think its 3 other ability points just for a + to init. ) can shoot an str 9 wep, and has numerouse other abilities thats makes it able to wade through most armies. The Deciever... well... meh.
Anyways, thats just my take on thinhs.
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Ahh, A dilema....
1. NightBringer: -Very powerful CC abilities.(good)
-Extremely High Toughness.(good)
-Intimidating (grim Reaper) need I say more? (good)
-Absurdly high points cost(bad)
-Generally slow movement(bad)
2. Deciever: -Can allow army redeployment(good)
-Can force fearless models to take a leadership test(good)
-Makes your enemy want to expect the unexpected(good)
-Only 60 points less for dramatically reduced abilities(bad)
-Also very slow(bad)
A difficult decision. Personally I'd choose the Nightbringer, and I did. He has amazing stats and can tear soldiers to peices. On the other hand the deciever has the ability to confuse and occupy enemy forces and cost a little less. However once his tricks are revealed he loses his only big power... deception. The Nightbringer can keep the enemy hard pressed whether they know it or not.
The Nightbringer is my choice. However, be careful, having a C'tan is a big points drain should you lose him.
Hope I helped.
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my god...you people don't think the deciever is powerful enough? you say take the night bringer, cause it can tear up models on the battlefield? the deciever is powerful enough in cc to take on any model in the 40k universe...also, its got a pretty good point difference then the night bringer, which is very important. its decieve abilities can really come in handy. the extra point of initiative it has is extremely important, as it is much more likely to strike first...and if it does, there will be nothing left.
if you like to deciever model better then do that. it is power full enough (you have no idea) and has cool psychich talents. oh yeah, you also save like 60 points.
this is all from experience...its strong enough, in close combat, i would actually say that the deceiver would have a decent chance at defeating the night bringer (if they were to go head to head), as he would strike first, and cause some damage before the nightbringer could touch him.
I recently took part in a battle in which a deciever killed about 5 grey knights, a lictor, a hive tyrant with 2 tyrant gaurd, some dude named cortez or something from the daemonhunters, and 2 grey knight terminators in cc. it was still alive at the end. it is more then powerful enough. also, alot less people feild him so it would be more original then the nightbringer.
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Well, i don't know about the whole deciever/playing as nightbringer, i mean you obviously couldn't do that at anything official, but if you only wanted to play with your friends and they don't care, then i'd say do what ever you wanna do. i personally have the deceiver and as Commander Montka can testify to the deceiver can more than hold his own, and he has those cool "deceiving" abilities, especially used in combo with the pariahs' souless rule he can be devastating. but it comes down to what you want.Originally Posted by tiaxrulesall
Right is right, and left is wrong.
The Deceiver is the better of the two.
1) The Deceiver has initiative 5. While this doesn't seem like much of an advantage, it does mean he goes before Assault Terminators and most Space Marine independant characters who could pose a threat to you in close combat. And remember there are two assault phases each turn... id rather go first in both... than simultaneous in both.
2) The Deceiver can always withdraw from close combat before blows are dealt. Not only does this mean that you get to engage on your own terms, but it also means you always always always get the +1A for charging... and more importantly can deny it from your opponent. Additionally, this ability can be used to move the Deceiver very quickly around the board as he ping pongs out of close combats. So hes not quite as slow as the Nightbringer and can actually cover a lot of ground if you roll good.
3) The Deceiver's stats are still amazingly good and he will kill things just as dead as his counterpart. All Nightbringer really gets is +1 S and a Lascannon... his +1 A doesnt make him better because the Deceiver charges every turn anyway if you use him right. Also the Deceiver gets a ton of abilities which can have a huge impact on the game if you bring along 4 Pariahs. Its pretty easy to chase an entire platoon of imperial guard troops of the table for example. Most armies are susceptible to leadership rolls, very few armies are entirely fearless.
4) You have 60 more points to spend on other things. Which means more Necrons. Plus he has the nickname of Banana Head.
Last edited by Khobai; April 7th, 2005 at 08:38.
DUDE! That's not a plus.Originally Posted by Khobai
And over there we have the labyrinth guards.
One always lies, one always tells the truth, and one stabs people who ask tricky questions.
U my friend are a dunse... do u even ply necrons?cuz if u did, you would know that if both C'tan were to get into combat, they would both just disarm eachother? their weapons from their necro dermis would just be absorbed into them, secondly, if anyone of them were to kill anyoe in cc it would be the NB, cuz he has the scythe, which i don't think is part of his necrodermis, oh and the NB could just attack with his arc before he got into cc, wounding the deceiver, he wasn't labeled the weakest C'tan in existence for nothing...fools...lollol...Originally Posted by Commander Montka
"You think you know fear? You haven't seen the relentless advance of death against you! You think you know pain? You haven't felt the liquid steel of the cyborgs' blade as they silently scream their pleasure in your face. It doesn't matter if you are human, orc, or any other mutated creature in this Universe; they killed us all once and they'll do it again. They want to do it again. Their number is Legion; their name is Death...who are we to get in their way?!"
Well, anyone could tell he was just using that as an example, but if you want to take it literally, then go ahead. And for just a minute lets pretend that the diasrming rule(Which by the way the Scythe is just for looks, look in the codex.) the deceiver has higher Initiative so he would strike first and that gives him a big advantage. As for the arc it would depend on who was attacking. And well ignore the cool morale effects and redeployment and withdrawing from CC. Then the NB MIGHT be better than the Deceiver. (It's DUNCE you fool)Originally Posted by Ishamael
Last edited by Klop; April 7th, 2005 at 18:33.
Right is right, and left is wrong.