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Ok. I've albut finishe my SoB army, and I was looking for a new army. Some thing challagning, exciting, deadly, and something that people won't expect. And then I had it: Dark Eldar! I just got the codex, but, like the n00b I am, I don't know what is good, and what is not. That is where you, my friends, come in. If you could answer the following questions, I'd be in your debt. Short/long answers, it doesn't really matter.
- Should I buy the Battleforce?
- What Should I get to start me off?
-What are the useless units?
-What are the usefull units?
- Favoutrie choices?
- favourite tactics?
- Best pieces of Warger?
- Worst pieces of Wargear?
Thanks again, so much guys. I really appreciate this,
Its mainly warriors, so go for it. You need lots of warriors.Originally Posted by Lord YossanrionYou need to start with a Lord, 2 Troops choices (I would suggest 2 footslogging warrior squads to beging with) and then some bulk, I would suggest getting a squad of Wyches (Elites) and 1-2 Raider squads (Troops) to begin, see below for advie on unit composition.Originally Posted by Lord YossanrionHellions.Originally Posted by Lord Yossanrion
Anything where you put a Dark Lance and Blaster in the same squad, this is a bad idea.
Wyches without Wyche weapons.... just no.Everything else, some of my favourites are as follows.Originally Posted by Lord Yossanrion
Shadow Field, Tormentor Helm, Punisher, Animus Vitae, Combat Drugs
2 Splinter Cannons
Shadow Field, Agoniser, Pistol, Combat Drugs
2 Splinter Cannons
163 pointsWarriros by far, best troop choice in the game, can do everything, assault, shoot, lovely.Originally Posted by Lord YossanrionCurrently I am favouring a balanced WWP list, but to give a detailed tactic suggestion I need to know what you think you'd like to do.Originally Posted by Lord Yossanrion
ANY combination of those tactics is viable, so I can't explain them all right now, would take forever, when I get the edited DE tactica up they will all be in there though, working on it.Agoniser, Punisher, Drugs, Shadowfield.Originally Posted by Lord YossanrionHellglaive, just don't.Originally Posted by Lord Yossanrion
A fianl note to say welcome to the True Eldar my friend. Prepare to revel in the delicious ectasies and agonies of sensation!
If you look long enough, you can find a justification for taking almost any unit and configuration but there are some generally accepted conventions that show up in Army List after Army List because they are cost effective.
Sniper Squad = 10 warriors (2 of which have Dark Lances).
WebWay Portal armies should always have 2 portal carriers
Reaver Jetbikes - cost effective tank hunter group 3-5 (including 2 Blasters)
Wytches should always take Wytch Weapons, Plasma Grendes and never take Blasters or Shredders.
Ravagers with 3 disintegrators are generally more effective than 3 dark lances (unless you know exactly what the other guys is taking, ie three monoliths, etc).
Things you may not know about your Lord
Your Lord can actually assault further on foot than with a skyboard or jetbike war gear. Tons of posts about this. Basically 19-24" on foot or 25-30" in a raider vs 18" with the war gear
Your Lord with a punisher and Tormentor Helm will obliterate regular troops. Use your wytches to tie up his HQ while you kill the rest of his army. This is pretty much a matter of personal style. Many people give an Archon an Agonizer and send him at the biggest thing on the board.
You are helping a huge amount. Its hard to find an experienced (any!) Dark Eldar player in my parts these days. All of the units above I was thinking of taking. I was thinking of taking a unit of Reaver Jet-bikes, as these guys look really cool, and seem decent too. I was also think about taking a unit of Mandrakes, to tie up devastator squads, Dark Reapers etc. What are your thoughts on on these too units?
As too karantalsis Q's:
So, as you can see I would like an Assualt bassed army (w/ some shooting), thats able to close fast with the enemy. Dark Eldar are renowned for this, so it makes sense. I'd like to field a few Warrior units, Mandrakes, Reaver Jet bikes, Wyches, Dracon, and Drachite. Does this sound feasable?
Thanks for the help guys, keep it coming
w00t the true Eldar!
*cough cough* excuse me but unfortunatly you choose one of the least desireable configurations. let me explain why.As too karantalsis Q's:
the tactics you have choosen was a standard choice in 3rd edition for allmost all DE players. anything that didn't revolve around raiders with CC units inside was very unusual and hard to find among even groups of DE players. the tactic was called a "raider rush." in a standard raider rush list you would have a few cheap warrior units tricked out for CC with a few very tough squads of our hardest CC units like wyches and lord with retinues all in raiders. the warriors would protect the raiders with more expensive units inside by surounding the raiders with there raiders and blocking LOS to them. this would insure that even if all your warriors were shot down you could deffinatly get your wyches and lord + retinue in CC before the end of the game. sounds like a really good tactic right? loose the cheap and expendable units so that some of the best CC units in the game get into CC and dominate from there.
then 4rth edition came by. raiders no longer block LOS. With the size of raiders it is very difficult to hide that many behind terrain. you in this isntance just happened to loose first turn like you will in the next 50% of your games. the opponent goes first and because none of your raiders move last turn they can now get penitrating hits on you. any long range weapons the enemy has decimates your raider squads. every one inside your raiders gets hurt pretty badly and has to walk its way up the board getting shot to peices by anti-infantry fire. the few raiders you have left get shot down on second turn as you try and rush them into CC and allmost everyone dies in them because you were moving fast. you just lost horribly in like 2-3 turns.
some things to take note of.
your raiders are not moving more then 6" when they start out on the board making them even more weak then before.
the enemy has LOS to all your raiders unless hes stupid and downs one of them that is closer then the rest and while you do not have to tell him what is inside what raider he probably has LOS to your wyches and lord + retinue.
not many types of terrain block LOS to raiders.
now many players try and defend this tactic by saying it works for them if certain situations are present. like with lots of terrain and if they get first turn and what not. me personally I'd rather not make a list that depends on things I cant control like terrain and who goes first.
there is in my opinion a similar variation to this type of list that does work however. it works by putting all your raider squads inside the WWP and having a sniper squad behind cover or a large WWP carrying squad advancing up the board. the raiders are not around to be shot at first turn and count as moving when entering from the WWP. if using the large squad of warriors advancing they get like a turn or two of warrior movement added to the already insaine charge distance of DE and will probably get into CC. the only thing to know about this type of army is that it doesn't work too well in list under 1500 pts raiders and WWPs cost quite a bit of your total points. remember never take a WWP list W/O 2 WWPs. anything less is just asking for loosing your entire army in the WW.cant have a dracite in the same list as a dracon. dracits are wyche cults only and dracons are kabal only. unless you want a wyche cult Id suggest taking two dracons.I'd like to field a few Warrior units, Mandrakes, Reaver Jet bikes, Wyches, Dracon, and Drachite.
oh and if your still thinking of using reavers and raiders then the box set is fine but if your just buying the boxed set for warriors dont be stupid. people are still practically giving away warriors on ebay that they have lying around.
P.S. every true dark eldar player knows that the only wyches worth buying are dark elf witches and not those inbred ugly monstrosities that Games Workshop is trying to get rid of by selling to us. just slap on a splinter pistol and a round base if you feel like it and use them.
Last edited by Deathwishjoe; July 20th, 2005 at 04:47.
Yes you can Drachites are not wyche cult only, this has been discussed several times, no where in the rules does it say you can't have a drachite in a wyche cult. Archite you can't have, but Drachite you can. It actually speciffically states you CAN in the codex.Originally Posted by Deathwishjoe
I didn't know that I was so... wrong. Oh well, I guess thats why I'm talking to you guys huh?
So... after more reading of the Codex, I've decided to have an Army full of reaver Jetbikes, complete w/ Dracon + Dracite on Reavers. With a decent amount of warriors, of course. So how does: 1x Dracon, 1x Drachite, 1x Mandrakes, 1x Wyches (in raider), 2x Warriors (in raiders), 3x Reaver Jetbikes, 1x Talos. I like this army becuase it is fluffy, but do you think that It could also be effective? The Jetbikes move forwad, turbo-boosting, behind terrain. The Raiders do same. The Talos is a good firemagnet, and hopefully will make it into CC while the other units are in CC. Then, they all pounce on one flank/part of the army, and tear it to pieces. Any good?
Thanks for the help so far guys,
I was gonna use Banshees as Wyches, but paint them evil like.
Last edited by Lord Yossanrion; July 20th, 2005 at 09:34.
Busy now so will post more in detail later, lords on bikes are a bad idea, it slows your lord down and makes them a hgiher priority target for a 0% increase in combat effectiveness adn tiny increase in survivability, not worth it especially at the point cost.
well I am working off an old codex + the dark eldar update I pulled off of GW website but this is news to me. In the update it says "the following character (wyche lord) may take the place of the dark eldar lord as an HQ choice" that and with it saying you cant take the same retinue as a dark eldar lord and saying how it changes the army to a wyche cult if you have your army lead by a wyche lord lead me to believe there was no intermixing between dracons and dracites.Yes you can Drachites are not wyche cult only, this has been discussed several times, no where in the rules does it say you can't have a drachite in a wyche cult. Archite you can't have, but Drachite you can. It actually speciffically states you CAN in the codex.works quite well in my experiance. and despite what karantalsis says I'd suggest giving the lord a reaver just so he can keep up with out giving him a raider. in just about any other army I would not suggest giving the lord a jetbike or skyboard. in higher points you might also want some haemies on jetbikes with destructors and scissor hands.So... after more reading of the Codex, I've decided to have an Army full of reaver Jetbikes