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Asfter play-testing a Saim-Hann 1500 army for a bit using 1 wildrider with kinsmen, banner and half of them with shur cannon, a farseer with guide joining them, 1 six-man squad of guardian jetbikes, 6 vypers, and a falcon, I found the guardians to be less than effective as the kinmen had better CC abilities and could field more shur cannons much better for the hit-and-run tactics.
If I drop the kinsmen would I be too cheesy for fielding a large kinsmen force and more vipers? The only downside I see it that my CC will be force to one good unit.
I put this in thsi forum rather than the army list due to I was looking for reasons why the 1 wildriderunit/lots-o-vipers would be too cheesy, and as for tactica would I really want more than one CC unit to run interference (even though I don't think they would live very long to offer much resistance)
Hi mate, I assume your second para shoudl read "If I drop the bikes.."
well, given a falcon and a large unit of kinsmen, it is dubious, traditaionally, the old 18 vyper army (fill all 6 FA slots with units of 3 vypers) is the "Powergamer" approach but you are not reaching that level, as a general rule of thumb, someone once said to me that if you feild more vyper than jetbikes, then it is cheesey, but I would supsect you are about even if you count everything you have on a jet bike.
Based on this the answer is you are on the borders of power gaming but that doesnt mean dont do it
You do need to be aware that in a tourney the ammount you are spending on your HQ will lose you composition points
certain chapter of marines can make all terminator armies, guardsmen can make all tank armies.
It seems reasonable that the Eldar extreme would be an army of fast vehicles with heavy firepower and nonexistant armor.
Isn't that actually the most 'fluffy' army you can make?
Think of what the Eldar are, super-advanced space elves with firepower to match their arrogance, low numbers and a penchant for speed.
A vyper army is 1) hi-tech, 2) very fast 3) packs a whole lotta high tech fire power, 4) low numbers 5) very very fast
and just for kicks, use one squad of shining spears with a brightlance.
I'll have to check their stats, I wasn't too happy with guardian jetbikes versus vipers (since I already was using wildriders) but shining spears has the nice fodder aspect as the brightlance vipers got targetted quickly. As shinig spears classified as jetbikes (at work and don't have the codex with me)?Originally Posted by LostZaku
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Yes they are.Originally Posted by Torden
as was said before, it's cheesy but only if you go pure vyper. Otherwise if you balance it, it'll be fine. Fluff wise it's okay.
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