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    Ravager loadouts and killing power

    I just thought I'd put up a statistical look at ravager loadouts commonly taken (3 DL, 3 Dissie, 1DL+2Dissie) and see what their relative abilites are at destroying various targets. I will assume that a dissie template covers 2 models on a successful hit against infantry (as this is the most common result with the 4th ed template rules), these calculations are also for infantry with no invulnerables and 3+ or worse saves. In each case I will calculate the probability of damaging a vehicle (i.e. geting a glancing or penetrating) or the average number of kills in a squad as I think these are the two most relevant numbers.

    Anti Vehicle Summary (working below)

    3 DL
    AV, Move <6", Move >6"
    AV 14, 70.4%, 33.3%
    AV 13, 70.4%, 33.3%
    AV 12, 70.4%, 33.3%
    AV 11, 82.9%, 44.4%
    AV 10, 91.2%, 55.5%

    3 Dissie
    AV, Move <6", Move >6"
    AV 14, 00.0%, 00.0%
    AV 13, 29.8%, 11.1%
    AV 12, 52.9%, 22.2%
    AV 11, 70.4%, 33.3%
    AV 10, 82.9%, 72.6%

    2 Dissie, 1 DL
    AV, Move <6", Move >6"
    AV 14, 33.3%, 33.3%
    AV 13, 47.3%, 33.3%
    AV 12, 59.7%, 33.3%
    AV 11, 75.3%, 44.4%
    AV 10, 86.3%, 78.1%

    As can be seen for slow moving firepower the traditional 3 DL ravager will outperform both other set ups easily agaisnt heavy armour, although there is only a small (5% ish) differnce against light armours (av 10 and 11) when compared with the 1 DL and 2 Dissie set up. In mobile firepower however it is equalled or outgunned at all turns by the 2 Dissie, 1 DL ravager. The 3 Dissie ravager realy shows little worth against armour except for AV10. For this reason I suggest that in a highly mobile DE army (i.e. most of them) the 1 DL and 2 Dissie variant is the superior choice for anti armour except against AV 13 and 14 where it is worth sacrificing movement for a better chanc eof penetration. For a stationary army an anti vehicle ravager should take the 3 DL load out. (If your suprised the 3 dissie ravager didn't figure in this your probably not a DE player).


    Target: Individual T8 Model

    3 DL, move <6"

    2/3*1/2=1/3

    1/3*3=1

    1 Wound

    3 DL, move >6"

    2/3*1/2=1/3

    1/3 Wounds


    3 Dissie, Move <6"

    2/3*1/3=2/9

    2/9*3=6/9

    6/9 Wounds

    3 Dissie, move >6"

    2/3*1/3=2/9

    2/9 Wounds


    1 DL, 2 Dissie move <6"

    2/3*1/2=1/3
    2/3*1/3=2/9

    2/9*2=4/9

    4/9+1/3=7/9

    7/9 Wounds

    1 DL, 2 Dissie move >6"

    2/3*1/2=1/3

    1/3 Wounds



    Target: T 4 Squad

    3 DL, move <6"

    2/3*5/6=5/9

    5/9*3=15/9

    1 6/9 Wounds

    3 DL, move >6"

    2/3*5/6=5/9

    5/9 Wounds


    3 Dissie, Move <6"

    2/3*5/6=5/9

    5/9*6=30/9

    3 3/9 Wounds

    3 Dissie, move >6"

    2/3*5/6=5/9

    2/3*1/2=1/3

    5/9*2=10/9

    1/3*6=2

    3 1/9 Wounds


    1 DL, 2 Dissie move <6"

    2/3*5/6=5/9

    5/9*5

    2 7/9 Wounds

    1 DL, 2 Dissie move >6"

    2/3*5/6=5/9

    2/3*1/2=1/3

    1/3*6=2

    2 5/9 Wounds

    (Due to an error during thread creation the following was deleted from this thread: Table and discussion for infantry, calculations for AV percentages, these will be put back up when I have the time)


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    Anti Vehicle Summary (working below)

    3 DL
    AV, Move <6", Move >6"
    AV 14, 70.4%, 33.3%
    AV 13, 70.4%, 33.3%
    AV 12, 70.4%, 33.3%
    AV 11, 82.9%, 44.4%
    AV 10, 91.2%, 55.5%

    3 Dissie
    AV, Move <6", Move >6"
    AV 14, 00.0%, 00.0%
    AV 13, 29.8%, 11.1%
    AV 12, 52.9%, 22.2%
    AV 11, 70.4%, 33.3%
    AV 10, 82.9%, 72.6%

    2 Dissie, 1 DL
    AV, Move <6", Move >6"
    AV 14, 33.3%, 33.3%
    AV 13, 47.3%, 33.3%
    AV 12, 59.7%, 33.3%
    AV 11, 75.3%, 44.4%
    AV 10, 86.3%, 78.1%
    It seems to me that these are just the chances to cause damage, not to destroy.
    I think it should be taken into account that lances have a better chance at causing penetrating hits than dissies.

    For instance, in case of AV13 vehicles a lance ravager seems to be slightly more than twice as effective as a dissie one, or thrice as effective on the move.
    The chance to destroy the target however is about seven times that of a dissie ravager.

    On the other hand, dissie ravagers are better against open topped vehicles, as they get extra hits.

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    Personally I would use dissie armed ravagers to target infantry rather than tanks and leave the tank hunting to my Dark lance armed raiders.

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