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    This doesn't really deserve a new thread but I can't find anywhere else to put it. The fluff of storm guardians state that they were once from one of the close combat shrines such as the striking scorpions. Then why are they infinitely worse than them? Just because they stopped being aspect warriors doesn't mean that they'd lose 1 I, 1 WS, 1 BS, 1 LD and most importantly 1 STR. If they were strong enough to become scorpions then they would still have strenght 4, I am not pleading for GW to make strom guardians and good as aspect warriors, I just think that their fluff is contradictory to their in game abilities. Why can't their fluff be that they are citizen militia like defenders but they were given ccw and shuriken p instead of a shuriken c? DAMM YOU GW!!!


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    Well, you have a good point, but remember, they are retired from the Aspect Shrine, meaning they've left that part of themselves behind. Moreso, they could have been members of their particular shrine thousands of years ago.

    I think a lot of their skill also comes from their ceremonial costumes. I'm sure there are targeting systems and muscular-skeletal assistants built into the suit. I wouldn't imagine it's just armor.

    Would they lose all those stat points? They might. Their Weapon Skill and Ballistic Skill could be derived from their Aspect's ceremonial suits, their Initiative and Leadership losses could be from the fact that they are no longer tapping into the Eldar gestalt consciousness of Khaine.

    That said, in their current incarnation, Storm Guardians are one of those Eldar units that people say, "Well, they're not all that bad," but almost no one actually uses them.

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    Warlocks are retired aspect warriors, not Storm Guardians as far as i know. Storm Guardians are simply militia even more suicidal than defender guardians, or maybe they just grasped the concept that they will end up in close combat with their puny 12" weapons anyway.
    The reason almost no one use them is probably that the models are about twice as expensive money-wise than Defender guardians, and more annoying since they are part plastic part metal. I have two squads of 11 though, they kick ass in Ulthwé Strike Force.

    Their main problem is getting into close combat, if you slog them they really need conceal, and if you put them in a serpent they would be better off as aspect warriors anyway. The only army without this problem is Ulthwé Strike Force... we can use only one squad of close combat aspect warriors so storm guardians are good substitutes. Cool as hell too.
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    If everyone had access to Black Storm Guardians, that would be killer.
    Unfortunately, that's not the case

    If I remember my backstory correctly, Warlocks are Eldar who walk the Path of the Seer after having walked an Aspect path before. That way they have combat experience and can attune their abilities towards combat.


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    Yes, i know Warlocks are, but haven't heard this about Storm Guardians before.

    I really hate that Warlocks are Ld. X, worse than aspect warriors and as good as guardians. Why have they gotten less disciplined after threaden the path of the seer, when they specialize on psychic powers and leadership. (
    Warlocks are useless from a leadership point if view when in charge of a guardian squad... it shouldn't be that way, they are leaders, like veteran sergeants.

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    I see Warlocks as just highly Psychic Guardians.
    Normally, they are putting their psychic talents to use elsewhere, like music or art or something. In battle, they're just as likely to panic as the Guardians they are escorting.
    I don't really see them as leaders, either, more like specialists within the unit.

    Farseers have the superior leadership because they foresee pretty much all that happens, so they walk into battle resolute in their fate.

    I would hate Warlocks more if they actually had to pass psychic tests on their poor Leadership. But then, I play Iyanden. All my Warlocks (Spiritseers) have nice high Leadership. Funny what watching a Tyranid eat your family will do for your resolve.


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    But they are former aspect warriors, if the path of both the warrior and the seer doesn't strengthen your resolve what will? Maybe a chem-inhaler would do them good... :tongue:
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    OK. How about this? Another theory:

    Since the Eldar are very passionate, they can probably get very angry. So when they are Aspects, they can fully tap into all of that anger and the spirits in their suits help them focus it.
    When not wearing their suits, they need to keep themselves calm and not freak out.

    In that case, their high leadership is derived of their righteous fury.

    I dunno, now I'm just grasping at straws, trying to bend the backstory around the rules, and vice versa.


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    All Eldar wearing helmets can do so, in the Eldar compliation from 2nd edition there is a piece of fluff describing a warlock and the effects of his helmet. It also mentioned he had been a Fire Dragon once.
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    Darn, I wish I had some of this olf fluff.

    Anyway, that still doesn't explain why they are strength 3. It says they used to be from a combat shrine like the striking scorpions (who are chosen from the strongest of all eldar) Then why are they strenght 3? Did they stop bodybuilding? I don't think eldar do that anyway with their weak strength 3.

    I used to do taikwondo right, I havn't done it in years, but I still remember some of the moves and seem to have better reflexes than most people as a result of it. eg: someone does a playful mock punch, I will probably block it anyway out of habit. The eldar used to be aspects and they havn't done it in years but they go back to being as bad as the citizen militia. They are eldar, their supposed to remember the things they learn. This is a bad analogy but its all I could think of.

    P.S. This is off topic but why can't farseers choose to use warlock powers instead of their own. (not that you would nessecarily want to)

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