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An Ork player neabry want's to have a looted Land Raider Crusader, and Hammerhead. I'm cool with this but I need to know two things:
- Does the Crusader still have the automatic "Machine Spirit" upgrade?
- Does the Hammerhead still have the "Targetting array" that ups its BS? Does that effect orks?
Well tbh, theres no ruling about this because you're not strictly allowed to loot a hammerhead and there's debate about the crusader. I would assume that if it says they have an upgrade in the unit description (IE isnt bought from the armoury) then you can take it. Does the array state it gives the 'tau' operating it +1BS/BS4? Or the 'tank' gains... etc. Its all in the wording.
It says you can loot anything if your opponent lets you, so I'm fine if he does. I'll check the wording for those two.
Hey, I'm the dirty ork loota. How did I know this would be from you Yoss. This would have been better in the rules help but meh. Targetting array "add 1 to the Vehicles BS". The targetting array adjusts for the targets speed and distance which to me makes me think even a child could use it. Personally I think orks could use it and that looted vehicle would retain it. Now for the landraider crusaider that is different. Power of the machine spirit anyone? Sure i'd like it but do you think he'd really help orks, then again orks are powerful latent psychers, mabye they can comand the power of the machine spirit through this.
P.S. I know nothing of marine fluff.
from what I can remember from the offical release of the "new" land raider model, the Spirit of the Machine upgrade technically means that the LR itself is more like a highly advanced servitor (or dreadnaught) than an ordinary tank, and possesses an intelligence of it's own. I even seem to recall in one bit of fluff that the entire crew of a LR was killed in combat, it continued to fight on it's own for a significant length of time, but when it was immobilized and a number of the enemy tried to take control of it, it locked itself shut and flooded the compartment with massively fatal levels of radiation, killing another dozen or so and itself.
I would think that you would have to purge the Machine Spirit from the LR to make it "lootable".
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I have to agree with Mpdscott. As a matter of fact, I remember that piece of fluff. So, I would say most upgrades, but, definately not the machine spirit. On the other hand, (to play devil's advocate), seeing as most vehicle upgrades are usually hi tech toys, (and a bit fragile), wouldn't the Orks most likely break them, before they got to use them?
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The machine spirit for crusader, and targetting array for the hammerhead, come with the vehicle, so their points cost takes that into account. But in case of the targetting array, the looting rules say the vehicle is always reduced to BS2, so It would not apply. Basically looting a hammerhead is a bad idea.
As for the machine spirit, I guess you could make up fluff for an ork version of it to the same effect, like better grot riggers etc, as orks would never use the actual spirit (I have a feeling the spirit self destructs or something). I don't know if it would be legal though.
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It says "...it's ballistic skill is reduced to two because it is crewed by orks. This would lead me to believe that the ork tank's base BS is 2. The hammer head also has a lower base too. Then you would add the targetting arrays effects on afterwards. Of course this really up to your opponent. For vehicle upgrades that couldn't be taken I think it would be fair to remove the cost of the upgrade from the vehicle.Originally Posted by KingBurriss
As for power of the machine spirit. Mabye Gork and Mork is driving the land raider?
If you loot a predator you are not allowed to upgrade it with a machine spirit from the space marine armoury. On the other hand, as a Land Raider comes with machine spirit already installed you will keep it. On the thrid hand (for us mutants) I did not know we were allowed to loot "Land Raider Crusader".
Hello fellow looters ...i m planing to loot a fire prism (just for fun of it ...actualy to anoy a friend who playes with eldar and i think i could do a good job)
-corect me if i m wrong-
... looting reduces bs to ork bs ....and orks can only get weapon upgrades not all those fancy goodys if they are not alredy included (but ork upgrades can be aded to any looted wechile)
Orks cannot controll Machine spirit (becouse of comon sence and all that fluff)...well not in those words -but it can have something that works like one(its in the vechile price anyway) ....for instance: Grot Tank Crew -that helps aiming and stuff -anyway they are the ones sent to deal with machine spirits becouse they are just fodder and ork technology does wonders
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