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I have this friend who uses Tau. Now admitidly I havent been able to play him since using this tactic but my other friends have and want me to bring this up.
So he has a single Suit (HQ, no drones, IC) standing behind a squad of Stealth Suits. So its hella hard to shoot at the Stealth (you gotta be close or you waste the shot) and you cant shoot the IC. He jumps the Suit out in front, fires off a few rounds then pops back in the assault phase.
To me this sounds like a pretty solid tactic and would work in many situations. Ive wasted so many shots at Stealths that I only assault them at this point. If anyone can think of this being a rule break or just have suggestions to deal with this team lemme know!
It is a solid tactic, and there's nothing wrong with it. However, he doesn't even need to jump in front of the squad - they don't block LOS, so, he can just sit behind them.
The furthest away that Crisis Suit can be and still hit things is going to be 42", when equipped with a Missile Pod. If he's got these guys at that distance, it basically means the Stealth Squad is nothing but a shield, which is a huge waste.
I'd recommend 1) closing in onto the Stealth Squad and either assaulting them or hailing them with close ranged fire, 2) focus on the rest of the army, because if the Stealths can't shoot at you, the HQ isn't going to be doing that much damage singlehandedly, 3) flank with your faster squads and try to get it so that you can target the HQ by making him the closest target.
It's a reasonable tactic, but the safest way to play it is by making the Stealth Suits a waste and completely ineffective. If they get close enough to use their Burst Cannons, you shouldn't have too much trouble shooting at them, either. It's all in movement and whether you think that it's a serious enough threat or not - if he's playing them safe, and not shooting at anything with the Stealths, just ignore it and focus on demolishing the rest of the army.
TBH, this seems like a pretty pointless tactic. ICs can hide behind any infantry squad, and a stealth squad should really be infiltrated, taking them away from the HQ anyway. Plus as jet-pack troops, stealths should ideally end up out of sight (I've found that the whole LoS thing matters little because the enemy will generally send a squad or two directly at my stealths), as should the HQ. And if you've got a mech tau army, there are always plenty of drones to hide behind.
The reason why it's not pointless is because of the Stealth Armour that the Suits have. Due to the Stealth Armour special rules, it's most likely a whole lot harder getting rid of them to get to the IC than it is to, say, get rid of a Fire Warrior squad, etc.Originally Posted by MadJackMcJack
And Mech Tau armies don't specialise in drones. My own Mech Tau lists usually have very few, to no, drones at all. So, not always. ^_^
The HQ shouldn't "ideally end up out of sight" ... the HQ should ideally end up not being the closest target to the enemy. Deep Strikers can get at him, sure. But they can get at him if he's sitting behind a hill, too. It's all in how you play it.
It's not a pointless tactic, I just find it to be wasteful to the Stealths, unless they still get up close and personal - however, they're more vulnerable when up close.
I think what he tries to do MadJack is have a medium ranged, awesomely mobile pair of units that you (me and a couple others) wont shoot at. I have shot at those Stealths so many times that im now shy and wont waste a bullet until they can shoot me (roughly 24").
Lost, yeah my main idea is to assault him but he moves those things well. I think he does it when he needs to get a quick ap2 in or something but for the most part leaves him back. And now that you mention it he leaves his Stealths about mid field from what I remember playing him last. They never REALLY do anything except vs. Guardians. Holy crap I got it, im going to get some FireDragons (oh I play BielTan for reference) and unload them right in front of the Stealths... if I can position it right I can have my Serpent (tlBL or SC) shoot his IC and my FireDragons at his Stealths. Thanks for the brain storm!
I use my stealths to be the closest target, but I use them to jump from cover shoot and then jump into cover again, just exactly keeping them inside their max range which forces him to roll something like 4+ on both his dices or 3+ if he decides to move towards my stealths.Originally Posted by Lost Nemesis
I know that it is a rather expensive way to keep you army safe from fire, but while they shoot at stealths are fails their checks for not shooting at them, you have time to use your long range and kill alot before your stealths die.
It works for me most of the time
I admit that the tactic works, however, sooner or later (sooner vs. most experienced players, or even not at all) the player will realise what you're doing and just ignore your Stealths. And what happens when he uses an abundance of vehicles to get close to the Stealths, then unload troops/shoot them?
There are always tactics that work, but you have to remember that all tactics can also be countered.
I know and I fear for the day, because then my beloved stealths won't do any good longer and just being a point sink, since a full team of stealths cost as much as a railhead
What army are you using? If you have any indirect fire, you could shoot either, albeit a possible bad scatter. And you must have an assault or jump troop somewhere, just speed up and move over the stealths, assaulting the HQ.
Or, simply avoiding it all should work pretty efectivley. He might not even expect it. If he cant use the stealths or HQ, he's wasted 300+ points.
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Ahhhhhhh! So it works because you don't shoot at the stealths. Kinda makes sense now, although only if you don't infiltrate the stealths (which I always do). Wouldn't work for me, as I tend to face a lot of Marine (Hnnnnnnnnnnnnngh!) armies, so they generally send assault or bike squads after them.Originally Posted by windowlicker
Besides, after that one time when I left my Shas'o out in the open and he got shot to hell after the FW squad in front of him broke and ran behind him, I never leave him in los of the enemy wherever possible.