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Hey! just popping in to ask about what you think about the falcon with the wraithstone and holofields. i find them almost impossible to destroy! especially when they are used correctly! only glancing hits, and most glancing hits are ignored/ barely do anything! i am an ork player and a grey knight player, so it might be that I dont have the proper amount of anti-tank, or that im just lacking in the luck department... either one, do any of u find them a little too fortified with the above config.?
just wondering, and no im not complaining, just wondering if theres any easy way to put a stop to it.
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if someone has given a falcon those upgrades, it will be almost 200 pts. you can just ignore it and kill everything else. personallt, i would prefer to face one pumped-up falcon than 2 CTM vypers w/ starcannons.
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If you ask people what tanks are the best in the 40k universe I am fairly certain the top three would consist of the following (in no particular order): Monolith, Hammer Head and Falcon. The Falcon is a good tank, no doubt about it.Originally Posted by Grand Master Halls
However, it is also an expensive tank. My usual Falcon sets me back nearly 200 points. My Dark Eldar opponent can get 4 raiders for that amount.
There is no easy way to put a stop to a Falcon with holofield and spiritstones that keeps moving more than 6". But it is not hopeless. Since, as you mentioned, you can only score clancing hits, and most of these are ignored you should aim for putting as many glancing hits on it as possible. Some of them will stick.
Autocannons are better than lascannons or missile launchers for shooting down Falcons since they fire more shots, and still have a fair chance of causing a glancing hit. Taking the odd potshot at a speeding Falcon is likely to yield very little.
If at all possible try to shoot the Falcon from the rear. Its rear armor is so weak that even bolters can damage it. That is one of the best ways of assuring that you get so many glancing hits that somethings gotta give.
Also, if you ever catch the Falcon when it has not moved 6", say when the opponent tried to hide it behind terrain and you still get a clear shot, then fire away. Spiritstones will not save it from a couple of penetrating hits.
Pretty much the standard config for a falcon is as you describe, problem is that it is moody, for all that exense,. it may go down on the first shot at str6, alternatley it may stand there through as barage of las cannons and still be there.
The trick to taking doewn falcons, which is I assume what you are after, is lots of medium strength shots.
Assault cannons are a nightmare for the eldar player nowerdays, something like a land speeder tornado is a natural choice as a falcon hunter ,costing one third the points and with an asurd 7 shots, somthing is bound to stick
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Yes, you basically need a lot of glancing hits. Remember to take advantage of any turn the Falcon is stunned as well! You can inflict penetrating hits on it then.
By the way, an LST has 4 str 6 shots, the heavy bolter can't harm the Falcon unless from behind. But it's good anyway.
Since you play Orks I recommend you to nudge it down with Rokkit launchas, str 8 is perfect for Falcon-hunting.
Warhammer Fantasy: Warriors of Chaos, High Elves
Warhammer 40k: Eldar, Space Marines, Orks
The weakness of the Falcon is that although it's difficult to actually kill it - it's much easier to damage it, rendering it almost useless. Spirit stone is useful for helping to negate these but it does fail 50% of the time
For example - a falcon which cannot shoot next turn is practically useless for the next turn (unless it's transporting units.) Considering how expensive it is - you really want it to be firing and killing each turn so that it's gaining its points back.
A big mistake some people have often made when playing me is that they successfully stun the falcon - but they then go on to waste more heavy weaponry trying to actually destroy it. For example, in one game I was playing against Tau - his hammerhead successfully ensured that my falcon wouldn't be moving or shooting next turn. Instead of then waiting for his next turn to destroy my falcon with penetrating shots - all his broadsides opened fire on the falcon and spectacularly failed to do anything.
Therefore, don't waste your weapons. Once the falcon's damaged, use the remaining ones to kill less tough targets
Easiest way to stop a Falcon, get first turn and shoot it before it moves and shoots you. Other than that, it really is the luck of the die that you will roll a 5 and a 6 on the glancing tables or 2x 5's, 2x 6's. It's tough...we Eldar players know...that's why we also grin at the opponent when he tries to take down our Falcons.
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True dat. But first turn is hardly something you can plan for... and the savvy eldar player will have placed his falcon hull down anyway.
Falcons are not incredibly hard to kill... a solid devastator squad can take it down from the front even, w/plasma cannons or missile launchers...
on the glancing hits table, with spirit stones, the following results destroy it:
double 6s (1/36)
6 & 4 (2/36s)
5 & 4 (2/36s)
double 4s (1/36)
you have a 1/6 chance of destroy a spirit stoned falcon w/holo fields that has moved over 6"
its up to you to determine you do so...
THe maxxed up falcons are a tough nut to crack but actually i tend to avoid them. They can lay down some impressive firepower but since I play space marines I have found there is does very little to me over all. The eldar player I usually play against(there are others but most of them are not very good) field two of them in his ranger army and they in the half dozen games I have play this army have never earned thier points back and once I realised I should ignore them and concentrate on his troops , Ihave never lost to him. Yes they are brutal to try an kill so basically I do not bother unless they are the only thing in range.
I have more fear of his d cannon than I do of his falcons. It has done more damage to me than the tanks.
Though they do represent a much bigger threat to orcs I would say eat the squishy elves first Or use rocketboyz to get a rear assault you will probably need a 6 to hit it but well orc accuracy is not much better.