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First of all, I am well aware of the various viewpoints on these boards concerning cheese and whether or not it is a term that should be used by Warhammer players, so let's get one thing out of the way right off the bat. I do believe that cheese is a term used (most of the time) by people who cannot find a way to overcome a certain opponent or obstacle on their own skill. On the other hand, I do acknowledge that in a "friendly" game environment, using an army that is highly powerful or extremely competitive (such as armies that are normally considered cheese) can kill the fun factor for both parties. Therefore, my aim is to do the following:
- Take the normally competitive Mechanised Tau army and "tone it down" so that it is an army that is fluffy and/or enjoyable to play against, yet still remains true to its central themes and retains some of its competitive power.
Because we all like to win, right?
Having only recently started Tau, I don't fully understand the more subtle nuances of their tactics and units so I am looking for help and suggestions on creating a "fun-oriented" (the definition of fun being implicit in the statement above) Mechanised Tau army, a Mech Tau Lite if you will.
People of LO, I need your help. Can this be done or is Mech Tau too competitive a style to be truly toned down without turning it into something totally different? Any ideas?
ALRIGHT! I can finally help and be heard over others! (I hope )
Anyways, how much of the army do you want to stay Mech? If you were to start throwing in Non-Mech elements could work.
But I think the Easiest way would be to simply include things others don't because it's less effective.
Check out this Thread on Flamers, I think it could be great fun to use the BlowTorch/Helios combo they got in there.
Course, what to take depends on what your using as a base to tone down, I say make a competative list, show us and we can let you know how to tone it down better to suit you.
You have to see it from a liability point of view. Our massive weakness is in CC. There are two defenses against this. One is to emphasize mobility; that's Mech Tau. The other is unit redundancy and crossfire; Static Tau. You are free to do something in between but you still must have a strategy to defend against CC.
If by "toning down Mech" you mean bringing more static units then you have to be a very clever tactician, knowing where to deploy, what to protect and what to sacrifice.
I'll close by mentioning that being cheesy with Tau is nearly impossible. The only such armylist I've heard of is bringing 3 Hammerheads in 750 points.
"My tanks have names, my men have numbers." -Col. Edmund Grahvess, 23rd Kronecker Prison Guard
Bring 6 or fewer Stealth Suits.
Bring 2 or fewer Hammerheads.
That should get you started on the right track.
Shas'el - twinlinked plasma rifle, missile pod, hardwired multitracker
2 Crisis - twinlinked missile pod, target lock
12 Fire Warriors in Devilfish - decoys, multi, array
12 Fire Warriors - shas'ui, drone controller, 2 gun drones
6 Pathfinders in Devilfish - decoys, multi, array
8 Gun drones
Hammerhead - railgun, smart missiles, decoys, multi, lock
Hammerhead - ioncannon, burst cannons, decoys, multi, lock
There you go.
If anyone complains about the troops, tell them all you'd do to increase them is drop the drones (10 of them) for another fish.
In the new codex, you'll want a pirana with a fusion blaster and array. I'll need to see the new codex before I see what you'd change, but I'd probably twinlink the pods on the commander and lose an elite crisis.
From your post am I to take it that you consider Mech Tau itself cheezy?
Mech Tau itself really isn't that cheezy in any respect. The only truely cheezy thing you can do in Tau is take 3 Railheads in games less than 1500 pts. Build a list you like and be damned what others think, Tau have to many exploitable weaknesses that a decent player can take advantage of to ever be really cheezy.
Last edited by Undead Bonzi; February 17th, 2006 at 15:34.
The only honorable options left to we combatants is seppuku or semantics...which amount to the same thing really.
Yeah, me too! :w00t:
Inadvertant funny aside, I agree with you Bonzi. Making cheese requires more than just fielding a mech list.
In this case, onlainari is correct. I don't consider Mech Tau itself to be a cheesy list, just one that is very powerful when used correctly and more (IMO) suited for a competitive environment rather than a friendly one. If I'm just looking to play a few games then winning would most likely not be the first thing on my mind (unless I'd just been through a losing streak) and if my opponent wasn't having fun then I'd probably throw the game to get them to cheer up. Or something to that effect.
@onlainari: I like that list and will probably run it, though I don't think I'll ever be able to fully get rid of my liking for Stealth Suits so I'll probably end up running more than 6 anyway...heh... ^_^