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My pal have begun playing a, IMO, incredibly cheesy and boring Tau army. The Suit army of Doom.
It consists of, in his 1000pts list, 9 Crisis suits (2 o which are Commanders), 3 Broadsides and 20 Fire warriors. I'm not sure on his equpiment on them but it's mostly Fireknifes and TL-Missile pods (Helios I belive you call them).
This army can blast anything apart in a couple of turns and combined with the Jet Pack rules makes them really hard to target. And when I do get to shoot at them he have a Shield on almost every one.
My first thought when I played agaist this list was if it even is legal. The FWs cost 200pts, the regular XV8s, without upgrades included, is 175, Broadsides, without upgrades included, is 210 and the Commanders (two Shas'O I belive, not sure though) is 150. Total is then 735pts and he will have 265pts to spend un upgrades on his suits.
There is no possible way for my army to counter this. Neither is it for any army not planning to face such an army. Is this even fun to play? Would you even bother buying all the suits required for this (he have 15 in a 1500pts battle)?
Problem is that this guy is the only ecperienced Tau player in the group as well, limiting my choices to play 2 beginners instead if I want to play against Tau. Of course, it isn't wrong playing against beginners but sometimes I don't feel like I want to explain every rule to them.
And I often try do change players' minds about building armies like this, encouraging them to make more fluffy foces. This guy won't change his mind about this and he claims that he will never even look at other choices in the Army List again as long as he can do this army.
Do you run 25% terrain? If not, suggest it (and try to use less if possible). The JSJ tactic really relies on terrain to be truly effective (or the perfect judge of distance, which I have yet to master).
Otherwise, deep striking & infiltrating seems to bother me when I run a list like that. It sounds more like he's running a GT list and you're running a fun list. Different sides of the same game.
Grr I hate JSJ with a passion.
I have found that the best way to get the suits is go for the broadsides first, as often these and the firewarriors will be bunched into cover as they are basically ablative wounds.
Take a nice fast assault unit (if you play BA death company are a godsend) and run up to the mto cut them down. The difficulty here is surviving the last 12" which, with a jump pack unit you can do.
Another tactic is indirect fire death (IG excel at this) just try and stay out of LoS and let the fire fall from the heavens.
Suits, although annyoing hate combat like any other, even of you engage them with a useless/weak unit it will stop them pumping out fire and chances are they won't we able to fight themselves free.
Yes, suit armies are cheesey IMO.
It ain't cheesy.
Otherwise, what army are you playing against that list, as different armies would have pretty different strategies for beating it.
I play a semi-mech Eldar Biel-tan list. It have a Falcon, a Serpent with banshees and a Seer, 1 sqaud of Scorps and a Vyper. Problem is that's everything I have with my Eldar so I can't change the list. And I won't buy anything new until the new line of Eldar is released (must... have.. Dragons...).
And we are playing with around 30-40% terrain. Why? I feel there should be a lot of terrain on the table and I always play with that philosophy, no matter the opponent.That's like saying a Eldar Starcannon army of doom ain't cheesy, we all know it is.Originally Posted by JOHIRA
Heck, your could consider yourself lucky, I was planning (with the 3rd edition codex) a 2000 point army, 15 Suits, 3 Hammerheads and 2 or 3 Devilfish squads
It also depends of what mission your playing, perhaps with you play a cleanse he'll have to expose himself more?
He hav ethat in his 1500pts army, minus the fishes and three broadsides instead.Originally Posted by MiketehFox
We roll for Scenario so you never know what it will be.
Second option. What good will me grabbing the objective do if I have no models to grab it with?Originally Posted by MiketehFox
Yeah I know what you mean, it's hard to hurt an army you can't see...
Few things I can thing of in general, using weapons that don't need LOS(Smart Missile System anyone?) or a mobile army that can get around the terrain being used for cover.
It is definetly a tough not to crack...