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Whats a good way to kill a C'tan? The best thing i have though of, is genestealers with implant attacks. But you have to up their strength to a 5, so he cant use his ability to toss you from combat.
Now i know i could just kill all his warriors but I want to show my friend that even though a C'tan costs a boatload of points, i can kill it with ease. Anyone got some thoughts?
As for the monolith, zoanthropes and their focused warp blast should take care of that.
You will be needing 6's to wound anyway, they will be striking first and get loads of attacks.
You just need to pray you roll enough 6's and he fails his invulnerable saves.
Even at S4 the nightbringer cannot throw you from combat.
You can mob the Nightbringer, but it really has to be with ENTIRELY S4 models.
Which C'tan is it? as they have different tactics.
The Nightbringer practically can only be stopped by either mass venom cannon rape or rending.
The Deceiver is different, since he will never let you get an assault that will last (i.e he will fall back before you strike).
To stop the Deceiver, again genestealers are the way to go.
Basically the C'tan ARE the baddest CC monsters in the game, very little can beat them 1 on 1.
I would just ignore the ctan and focus on phaseing it out I alwas get lots of fexs with barbed strangler the strength 8 will instantly kill most necron units a with a large blast that is devastating
also get as many 2+ saves as possible only heavy destroyers can peirce to destract the ctan I use a hive tyrant with body gaurd and advoid at all costs the necrons are a very predictable army so it should not be to hard to do this but if you insist on killing him you must overwhelm it with genesteelers this is a bad tactic though because you will loose lots of points and will be hard pressed to kill enough of his other units to phase out
Last edited by Cannedmushrooms; June 20th, 2006 at 19:02.
Ignore C'tan? you do realise if they make combat you have little to stop them?
A barbed strangler maybe S8, but I don't think its AP3, thus you won't do too much (hell, with a res or near you will do even less).
You do NOT want to have a shooting match vs necrons, its one that all tyranids will lose.
My counter was 4 warriors with rending and scything and a few other biomorphs
also tyrants with scything and implant will make short work of the tougher necrons.
Remember for every one wound the tyrant does 2 with implant.
The last game i played against Necrons i, for the most part, tried to avoid it (the N. My VC armed warriors took two wounds off it (lol) in as many shooting phases. I did charge it with useless things like 2 or 3 hormies. It did kill a fex and rav in cc (he was in cover), but he certainly didn't make his points back.
The game before that i charge it with me CC fex, Hive tyrant and 7 stealers. He did the blast thing goes over him and killed all but two stealers and took a wound from the tyrant and fex! That wasn't fun. Best thing would be to make it loose 2 or three wounds before cc, then it should be easy (try suicide runs with raveners. took a few wounds off). Afeter all his save isn't that good.
Not Ignore sorry Advoid and then and fight for phase out whenever I fight agaist the necrons the ctan uses so many points that phase out is not hard to reach and if you must get into combat use something that it wont just destroy not much but you can get creative
trying to kill it just wastes to many points that would better serve killing warriors or immortals Ect..
also the tryanids can defeagt the necrons at shooting they are at the same range but the carnafex with barbed strangler ordance is invaluable since their toughnes does not exeed 4 and they will not be back with twice the toughness
Last edited by Cannedmushrooms; June 21st, 2006 at 03:19.
Some people seemed to have missed the point of this thread hes asking for ways to kill a Ctan not avoid it....
THe Deceiver you will never get into HtH combat with unless he wants to. The Nightbringer genestealers work a treat but you'll want quite a few because you're relying on rending to kill him. I prefer genestealers over warriors in this case because they are slightly cheaper.
To kill the deceiver you need to shoot him. The best weapons in the Tyranid arsenal for this are Devourers. TL Devourers on a carni or Tyrant will take him down on average in 2 turns. on a Carni thats eight attacks 6 will hit you wound on 6's but reroll failures meaning an average of 2 wounds not sensational but the ctan doesn't have the 2+ save of terminators he relies on his toughness to save him. In this manor the Venom cannon is also effective against him a Hivetyrant toting a VC and a TL devourer will likely cause 3 wounds on the poor guy. a Hive Tyrant with 12 shots(2xTL Devourers) might get lucky and cause 4 (average 3.25 wounds +1BS +1S).
Edit actually i just did the math the TL devourer is likely to cause more wounds than a Hivetyrant toting a VC (VC=1wound Devourer=1.63 wounds) with a Carni (VC = 0.83 wounds Devourer = 0.92 wounds)
Its hard to kill them in one turn but then at 400pts or whatever you can't expect too much. I like the TL devourer tactic because once you've taken out the night bringer its great at turning on Destroyers pariahs and immortals. With a hive tyrant toting 2 TL devourers you will normally kill 3 necrons which is perfect for taking out heavy Destroyers or destroyers.
Don't try and use genestealers against a Deciever you will just end up chasing a ghost.
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The fight happened the other day. We did not defeat the C'tan though. My friend said he was getting a nightbringer, and then prompty changed it to a deciever right before the game started- which defeated the whole purpose of my genestealer idea.
The good news was the genestealers took down 5 wraiths. unfortenetly, every last one of them repaired themselves, and took all the stealers out (my friend has amazing rolls, im taking him to vagas sometime)
Every one of my tactics failed against him- i was to kill the ctan and monolith. We ended up just stunning the monolith every turn which was ok. We got him to about 30% of his army before he took everything out, but then this morning i found out Paraihs do not count as necrons and he said they did. So i count the fight as a draw.
I learned: just take out the WBB guys. Both the Ork player and I are convinced for the firepower needed to kill a monolith and Ctan, you just cannot do it effieciently with our armies. And even so, you still have to worry about wraiths and all the other nasty junk necrons get.
And something i thought should never happen, necrons won a sweeping advance on my genestealers.
Ahh bad luck. Don't you hate cheaters . Good try though. Yeah the key i find when attacking necrons is to take out the ones that count as 'necrons' for pahse out purposes. Even though you might not make him phase out, you put a lot of pressure on him to make sure he does the right moves to ensure he survives. Anywho, better luck next time.