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I was playing a game the other day using pimarily lictors and raveners me and my opponet engaged in a huge argument about weather or not synapse is neccisary ofr them please provide refference if it is not
Licotrs are fearless, so I don't believe they need to take the instinctive behaviour test. That and both units have extremely high leadership so your rarely gonna fail if you do take the test for them (I believe that ravenors do have to take the test but with such high leadership they almost always pass anyway. Note I said almost, not just always...)
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It's still an ongoing debate wether or not models like the lictors and carnifex require a synapse but with their high Ld it won't go wrong quickly, the ravener must test but again with it's high Ld it won't fail quickly.
Pg 28 Tyranid Codex, Instinctive behaviour, 3rd Paragrah (1st bullet Point), "If you want to move that brood that turn for any Reason, it must take a Leadership Test".Originally Posted by zanderman001
-The key words here are Brood and leadership test.
pg 38 Tyranid Codex, Lictors, 1st Paragraph after stat line, First Word, "Brood".
-this implies that instinctive behaviour does effect Lictors.
pg 74 Warhammer 40k Rulebook, Fearless, Automatically passes Morale tests (note this is not a quote). Sorry i can't quote this I don't have the book on me but im 99% sure so if someone could check that.
-This implies that Lictors don't automatically pass leadership tests, only Morale.
Lictors must take the Instinctive behaviour Test, upon failing they fall towards the nearest Synapse Creature, or Failing this towards the nearest Tyranid Board edge. Note upon reading this section again. I interpretted the rules as saying, you must take a test if you want to assault because you would be moving the model. Unfortunately it also appears that a Rule Stickler could enforcethis rule, Seeing as at the beginning of the movement phase a Lictor was not on the board a Lictor would be forced to take a Test even if he Deep striked within the 12" synapse range, Because at the start of his movement phase he was more than 12" away from a Synapse creature.
Are a brood aren't fearless same rules apply to them as Lictors in regards to instinctive behaviour.
Note: People have argued that fearless models will not flee towards synapse, However I believe that fearlessness only protects you against the test not he results. Hence you would still flee towards synapse if failed. Unfortunately i don't have fearless in front of me right now
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every non brood telepathy units need synapsis. That's it put simply, fearless only gives immunity in CC. Every non synapsis tyranid is a "lower" 'nid and needs guidance.
I'm sure any creature that can go across on the broad for deep striking would be immune to the rule, as it would be pretty retarded as they are built to leap forward way beyond the limits of synapse to attack. And it stats lesser Tyranids, I doubt Lictors would be considered the lesser of the variety, though questionable towards Raveners and Gargoyles.
Nope.Originally Posted by ChemhoundAnything that's not a synapse creature is a "lesser variety" of Tyranid... that includes Carnifexes, Lictors, Raveners, etc. If it does not have "brood telepathy" or "synapse creature", then it requires synapse in order to operate.Originally Posted by Chemhound
Lictors, Carnifii, Raveners, Gargoyles, etc. have LD10, making the likliness of them failing an IB test slim to none... but they still have to take the test.
I still don't like the idea that a vangaurd organism like the lictor has to take a instictive behavior test IMO is kinda dumb. Not to mention why would a carnifex run to a synapse since their are spoused to be lumbering beasts that want to fight always and will till they die. Just not very fluffy IMO but hey what can ya do rules are rules .
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Actually I've seen some pretty funny stuff with fex's. More than a couple players like to give their synapse (tyrants/warrios) wings and fly out ahead of the main force, the result is that even if you do fail, you're moving towards the enemy anyways. I've seen a Carnie sprint across the board at ridiculous speeds b/c it kept failing the test. The guys opponent kept saying "that can't be legal".
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Time to clear some things up.
Although lictors and carnifexes and every other non-synapse or brood telepathy creatures are required to take an instinctive behavior test, if they fail, the lictors, spore mines and carnifexes do not fall back because being fearless also says that they will not fall back. Therefore, although they take the test, they don't suffer failing consequences and there is nothing to prevent them from moving after that. This can actually be a good thing since it means outside of synapse range, they have the ability to lurk without the downsides of trying to move.
The raveners would still take the instinctive behavior test like anything else, garoyles, gaunts, hormagaunts, non-synapse thorpes and tyrant guard. The raveners have ld 10 so there is a high chance that they will pass it. If they do fail though they have to fall back just like everything else.
The only exceptions to this synapse lack besides brood-telepathy are ripper swarms. In their entry it specifically says that they are fearless and do not obey the rules for instinctive behavior.
Last edited by Warrior47; June 27th, 2006 at 17:31.
Originally Posted by The Paint Monkey