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Sorry if this has been posted before,
But i was wondering what the Tyranid experts (that's you guys :ninja: ) thought about the GW suggestions for Carnifex builds.
The link is here
Sorry for such a basic question, but I'm trying to decide weather to go necrons or tyranids for my next army. The guide in the stickies is really persuading me over to 'Nids.
Eh, I have the exact same thing as the first one, but I call it the Shower Fex Massive. I've never thought that the spore cysts were a good idea..don't you automatically take a wound if you get one popped (IF!). Then you have to hope that something stumbles into your mine. The lash whips I found well, a no me gusta. Experience teaches me to take what is effective over what is pretty. To whit, most of those I would never take.
There's a few good example in them but those fex's are maibnly build to look good, not at how usefull they muight be, the terrorbore for instance itsn't good for a heavy when you can have the same beast as an elite by dropping the spinebanks
guess i come out with originals and then get LO to judge it then.
Cool, makes sense to me. Nice to get a few ideas first though. I shall carry on reading through people's lists and the like.
I use the same thing basically but the only reason is my elite slots are full already. Otherwies the 2 extra shots are kinda nice since if your fighting skimmers or any other low AV you can get pentrateing hits though unlikely still always nice to have 10 shots instead of 8.Originally Posted by Dreachon
Is it me or does any other necron player get annoyed when they see people saying "Necrons eat souls". How is that even possible as souls are part of the warp and necrons want nothing to do with it? Eh probaly me just me being picky.
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It all depends on what you want the fex for. Unless you're playing a super experience player who has lots of tricks up his sleeve a basic fex will do. The only reason they really gave the fex lash whips and all that is to show that you can make a carnifex that is purely defensive.
Think about it, if you were to have a carnifex with lash whips x2, regeneration, spore cysts, toxic miasma, extended carapace, extra toughness, extra wound, scythe tail etc. He would tie up a unit forever. You now have a carnifex, that if someone WANTS to charge, they now have to deal with getting around spore mines. When they finally do charge, any model directing attacks at him is at -1 ws and loses 2 attacks (loss of attacks is models in base to base i'm pretty sure). Then with the attacks he DOES get, he has to wound you with toughness 7. And he has to do that 5 times. And you have regeneration on top of that so you can maybe get some of those wounds back. Now, considering my carnifex WITHOUT toxic miasma or lash whips went 3 rounds with a bloodthirster, a defiler and a Khorne biker squad I would assume that I could have kept them all tied up for a round or 2 MORE had I had the fex equipped defensively.
So, if you're playing another 'assaulty' army he could be very effective, but moreso on an independent character heavy army. You know, that big bad man that charges you and gets like 6 attacks at ws of 5 or 6. Even then, put that carnifex near your tyrant with a tyrant guard equipped with lashwips. Anybody going NEAR that tyrant will get pummelled and i do mean PUMELLED.
BUT I do think there are more effective ways of doing something similar, such as giving the fex crushing claws, lash whips, tusked, mace tail, toxic miasma, spine banks and all the extra wound, armor save, toughness kit and an adrenal gland. He's basically tooled for CC BUT with the simple difference that your opponent now loses WS and an attack. And you get a stack of attacks in return (or a chance to get those attacks) And you can even use bioplasma if you chose. The spine banks count as frag grenades when assaulting into terrain, and you get 2 free shots that are twin linked at str 6 before you charge into the unit/character. I think that's a pretty good deal. Pricey, but i'm sure he'd more than likely earn his points back.
Yup. 'nids it is.
Thanks, one and all.
A defensive Carnifex does have it's uses but it all depends on who you play if nobody is interested in assault it obviously won't be much use. I personally think a defensive Carnifex with two lashwhips is better bought on the cheap. I think two lashwhips and toxic miasma is affordable as a elite. Well I think it is?
It could effectively tie up important units for a fraction of the cost of a Carnifex with
90-125 points of biomorphs and I think killing power in the rest of ones swarm is more important than protecting something that has limited offensive capability. It would make good backup for a stronger assault Carnifex the nastier one could even hide behind it.
I like the Death beetle. It's a bit odd but it looks good and it's name and appearance work well together. It's biomorphs and bio-weapons don't really complement each other but it's all about being over the top and it can be fun to be over the top.
I think the idea with these Carnifexes is not to show the best ideas but to show people biomorphing and conversion potential of the model.
The carnifex is the prime example of the reason I started playing nids in the first place. The variety, adaptability and customizability of the army just draws you in. The fex is the one that shows it the BEST. You can configure him any which way you choose and sooner or later no matter how he is set up there will come a battle when he will be effective. The diversity of nids is their strength. If you have enough models to choose from, and a diverse enough lot, there should not be a battle you cannot win. Each unit, no matter how it is equipped, has a role to play in your army, maybe even several.Originally Posted by Leech
Thanks and thanks again.
I guess, like chaos the old WYSIWYG is a bit of a pain sometimes. So i can imagine collecting a Carni for every occasion is very much a labour of love (and spondoolix).
I appreciate it's a bit of a folly, and don't want to ask the stupid question, 'What's the best Carnifex set up?'
But at the same time it's nice to get at least some idea before parting with my hard earned money eh?