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Is the Hierodule a bio-titan or not ? I know that the Hierophant is because it says so, but i can't see where it says about the hierodule.
Last edited by holo; July 27th, 2006 at 13:20.
No, the heirodule is not a bio-titan, it is just considered to be a big (!!) tyranid monster. This has no relevance in game-terms however as both the heirodule and heirophant are classed as tyranid gargantuan creatures.
arent gargantuans bio-titans?
i dunno, im trying to remember the WD article about them...
a gargantuan has mass points right? and i thought a bio-titan was a gargantuan...
I can't say I ever read the White Dwarf article on bio-titans, so I can't comment on that. IA:vol 4 does not refer to heirodules as bio titans; it compares the heirodule to the baneblade.
It is a gargantuan creature, and has mass points, but I dont think this makes it a bio-titan. For example the baneblade has structure points, but is not considered to be a titan. I think the heirodules are meant to a tyranid baneblade-equivalent. Therefore big and devastating, but not quite a titan.
Thats my take on it anyway
In their previous incarnation hierodules were indeed bio-titans as they were the size of reavers, however in their current incarnation they have been sized down and they are no longer classed as bio-titans.
Yes I remember the older Hierodule models, I think I had a couple. Naming the Scythed and Barbed Hierodules may be a reference to the original middle sized bio-titan the Hierodule. Are they or are they not redesigned versions of the original isn't clear and probably never will be.Originally Posted by Dreachon
As far as I can tell the term 'titan' is given to something is classed as an especially large warmachine or in the case of Tyranids a gargantuan creature, basically a step up from the monstrous creatures.
In any case if it is a warmachine or gargantuan creature to be called a titan it appears it needs to have at least three stucture points or in the case of Tyranids mass points. The current Hierophant has three mass points and the Eldar Revenant scout titans also have three.
It seems a particular level of power is also involved as both the Baneblade and the Harridan have three points each but they are not called titans. They are also either a super heavy tank and a super heavy flyer. My point is the term titan is subjective and typically given to things with legs and a huge points cost. The titans also owe thier origins in the 40K game to Epic 40,000. In that game they were often much larger as the game system allowed for it.
In the current 40K three mass or stucture points is about as high as it can normally go because of the practical difficulties of producing models on a even larger scale. In addition the difficulty in making reasonable rules for such things. In the old Tyranid VDR rules which gave rules for giving your own hand made Tyranid monsters rules the example of the sizes of the Tyranid bio-titans had the original Hierophant with nine mass points. That would make it three times the size of the current Hierophant that is produced by Forgeworld.:w00t:
Last edited by Leech; July 27th, 2006 at 17:13.
Are these VDR rules still around?" I don't realy like the monstrous creature special rules because they aren't very tyranid-like.
I'm sorry the VDR rules for Tyranids aren't around anymore :cry: . Thet were in chapter approved in White dwarf several years ago and were then touched up and put into the chapter approved rulebook. The rules themselves are also somewhat out of date because they were made for the previous edition of the Tyranid codex and not the current one. Many of the weapons in the Tyranid arsenal have changed since then and the points values are wrong.Originally Posted by knightenfex
The rules for generating a bio-titans stat-line and various abilities could still be used to give rules to scratch built bio-titans. That would need an opponents agreement though and would probably only be used in friendly games. About not liking the monstrous creature rules, the Tyranid VDR rules specifically say they are not to be used for creating new versions of Hive tyrants and Carnifexes. In addition the creatures created by the Tyranid VDR rules are usually far to powerful for normal games.
Originally Posted by Leech
Damn, I just made a sweet Vampire-nid with the rules and was going to start building him. But, he's ridiculously powerful for 200 points (Initiative 8 Five wounds, regeneration etc.) Wait, are you saying just the VDR can't be used? Can I still use the monstrous creature rules to make a new kind of monstrous tyranid? Friendly game of course.
EDIT: Also, I was wondering if there should be a points increase to give him the Tyranid Special rules or if it's free considering some of it has a downside? I've noticed most armies special rules don't seem reflected in the points of their models if I compare one kind to another (Ie furious charge on Blood Angels does not cost extra and the space marines are still only 15 points...leading me to believe the special rules are free)
Last edited by knightenfex; July 30th, 2006 at 07:22.
Sorry but for that price it's way overpowered.