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I've just decided I'd like some kind of heavy hitting unit in my eldar army, the kind of thing which can wipe out the toughest targets like terminators and vehicles.
The two choices I was thinking of were a fire prism, in the expectation that it will get better, or a falcon carrying a squad of fire dragons.
Now, it occurs to me that all the times I've seen eldar play or played against them, there's always been a falcon on the field, and its never been used to transport anything. This leads me to question if it's a good choice. What are your experiences of using a falcon as a transport, if any? Would I be better off with a wave serpent?
I'm of the personal opinion that, for a transport/tank, the Wave Serpent is better. Just as good at surviving (if not better) than the Falcon because of it's special field, it also has twin-linked weaponry (not as much weaponry as the Falcon, sure, but it's twin-linked) and has the capacity to hold a full ten models as opposed to the measley six. That's just me, though.
I'd go with a fire prism as the rumor is its getting a major boost in the up coming codex ( heavy 3). This will give it some seriouse tank hunting abilities while still keeping all surviving and manuvering abilities of the falcon or wave serpent.
But its also said that the point caust of the wave serpent is dropping so for cheaper trasport/firepower choice it might be better.
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I've always had very positive results using my Falcon to transport things - and don't forget it can be used as an emergency evac if a squad is taking fire (whereas a serpent can only transport its own squad).
Fire dragons are the staple - you can effectively extend their shooting range to 24 inches by moving them, dropping (personally, I turn the tank to face rear to the enemy - allowing the dragons an extra bit of range rather than shooting under the tank) and unleashing combined firepower from the dragons and tank against the target unit.
Combine a potential shuricannon, starcannon, pulse laser and 5-6 fusion guns (or even a firepike) and you have a great many dead... anythings. I did this, combined with a hail of warp spider and supporting fire from a wave serpent on a huge squad of thousand sons once and watched my opponents face drop - he'd never seen so many wounds on one squad, and never had so many he couldn't save against.
As for survivabillity, the falcon is much more survivable - it has the option to take a holofield. On the downside, it's also more expensive and has a smaller carrying capacity. It's better suited to squeezing in small, tough squads that will surprise the enemy.
Why in the name of Khaine would you ever turn the rear of a grav tank to anyone! :cry: You just made it as expensive as a squad of three Vypers only more vulnerable! Is it really worth 6 inches?Originally Posted by Alexb83
Wow.. you guys certainly haven't helped my confusion.
But thanks anyway, hmm.. I now have some serious thinking to do. One option, of course, would be to take both.. using the fire prism on its own, and a (hopefully reduced cost) wave serpent to hold the fire dragons. Or else, have the dragons footslogging.. It seems that could go horribly wrong though. Any experiences? Heck, I guess I could even take a fire prism and a falcon for mass-tanking goodness.
Several reasons - first, Dragons only have 12" range, so to get them in melta distance means getting them as close as humanly possible, without having to subject the small squad to a round of being shot at. Second, they shoot alot better than a falcon will or can, and as such I'd rather take my chances with them. Third, you should've moved the tank fast enough that they can only glance it anways - so, if they are still alive following a round of shooting from the tank, /and/ the fire dragons it carried, then I'm happy to let them take a pot shot at AV10 instead of AV12.Originally Posted by Homer S
To answer your question, Yes.
But, it all depends on what you want to transport. There are only a few units that can be effective at such a small size.
1. Seer Council
2. Fire Dragons
3. Guardians (with 2x Meltas or 2x Flamers)
Every other unit worth carrying in a transport needs larger numbers, so a Wave Serpent makes more sense.
All in all, a Falcon makes a good transport for units that can be effective at 6 men strong.
Wait, don't you need to move 12" to get the glancing rule?
Wouldn't that mean that the dragons can't disembark?
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i thought you need to move over 6'' to get glancing hits only.Originally Posted by Astantia
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