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I was wondering, if anyone has some good basic strategy, and info on what models should be picked when fighting in a city like environment. Lots of cover, and very little long paths to shoot down. My tau are maily infantry, and I will be fighting against ultramariens that are almost all assault type soldiers. I maily need some sort of mauever that the firewarriors can pull off in order to keep the enemy from overwhelming them. My battlesuits are fine, i know how to move them around to keep them out of harms way. Any sort of help would be useful.
I think kroot are important. They still may not be much in CC but infiltrate 20 kroot wherever you want WILL cause your enemies to blink. If they ignore them, just pour 40 rapid fire shots from cover. They'll blink twice.
Markerlights I would guess turned real important. They'll negate that cover save which wil help alot.
Off the top of my head those are the two main things that would help. Hope that gets you started.
Quick answer, and the one you prolly don't want to hear, is FW arn't the best for what you're doing. Gun Drones, Stealth suits, various Crisis loadouts, and yes, Kroot, are what you really want.
If you are going to use FW, I reccomend Devil Fish (If you don't have any, you should buy at least 2). Land on top of the builing, shoot the troops below. Reg marines have to climb up, assault marines take dangerous terrain tests to land on buildings. When they get close to the top, pick the troops back up, move to the next building.
Last edited by Sir_Prometheus; August 9th, 2006 at 16:46.
Wow, I never thought to land my devilfish on top of a building. That sounds like a great tactic against the assulty-type marines!
Ok, really? Keep in mind sarcasm doesn't read very well online.Originally Posted by Jakester
No, I wanst being sarcastic. I seriously never realized I could put my skimmers on top of buildings. I guess I'm just used to things with wheels (curse you space marines!). I need to remember that the battlefield is 3D...
Last edited by Jakester; August 11th, 2006 at 00:31.
I basically play solely in city environments, and here is the advice that I have to give.
Everything marines have will eat Kroot. No question. They don't get that nice forest save, bolt pistols will chew through them. I tried kroot. It didn't work. A LOT.
Fire warriors can be effective in this terrain, but it depends on their role. Pulse Rifles are good for positioning your warriors (and pathfinders) on top of buildings, while carbines are good for keeping your enemy running in circles/pinned/away from your main force. In my last game I used a squad of carbine warriors to move out from cover to claim an objective, and it was the easiest 666.3 points I have ever earned.
Basically, you need to give your opponent the runaround. Do your best to avoid being stationary, because assault troops close ground fast. Equip your crisis suits with Plasma Rifles for AP and Missle Pods for range. If your opponent isn't using vehicles, tote Ionheads. Use Warfish to keep those marines from assaulting your crisis suits. Stealth suits don't offer much benefit, as their stealth just reduces shooting effectiveness (though they count as being in cover when charged, so good for a unit to hold off your foes whilst everyone else escapes).
Basically, minimum Fire Warrior squads with carbines in Warfish to claim objectives on last turn (taking the second turn might be to your benefit as he'll have to try to get close anyways), Ionheads, and Fireknife Crisis suits.
My gaming group's new motto: That army you're using is overpowered because it hurts my guys, codex is broken and needs a rewrite.
Do not underestimate the powa of the corpse eating kroot. Here's my thing with kroot:
They're not excellent at anything, they are decent at everything.
Throw in some hounds, even space marines are failing saves.
Last edited by Casmicus; August 15th, 2006 at 00:08.
This one came up at the local shop, about the landing the Devilfish on top of a building.
Does it actually land on the building?
The other guy was saying that in order to drop off the Firewarriors the Devilfish would have to actually land, which would cause you to roll to see whether or not the building collapsed, very likely killing everyone in, on, and around the building. Note, I'm not even sure if that's an actual rule having not read much of the rulebook, but anyway.
I argued that the Devilfish is actually hovering still when that back ramp/door-thing drops down to let the Firewarriors out, therefor you just end up with a bunch of firewarriors on top of a building, no collapse roll. As stated earlier, having your troops being shuttled from building to building would be a distinct advantage (Be able to get away before those pesky marines finish climbing up the stairs. I can see it now, a squad of marines bursting out onto a roof, only to see a Devilfish flying off, and one of them throwing down their helmet "Dang it!"). Heck, skimmers in general sound like they'd be tough to deal with, have a Hammerhead floating above a building to add some 5 or 6 inches to the range at which someone on the ground would be shooting from, lob a submunitions round down a street then dissapear... City fighting seems to either be the best or worst for Tau depending on how you look at it.
So anyway, back to the Devilfish/Firewarrior question, how does that work?
Short answer: No, you do not have to land the DF, in fact it is officially still hovering and making an air drop. Really, it's just like troopers rapelling from a helicpter today.
Long Answer: You actually can land the skimmer(well, Tau, who have landing gear, can) on the top of the building. Technically, this would cause a difficult terrain test, as you are landing in difficult area terrain, just like woods. In practice, I've met anyone willing to push that, and everyone agrees it is flat. But those same people aren't going to give you hull down for being in cover then! Really, there's no real benfit to doing this, most of th time.
There is no particular role for collapsing a building by the weight of a tank. In fact, you can drive a LRC through a building and it will be okay. In real life this is not so, and tanks have been used to collapse buildings by driving through them. If you wanted house rule such rules, that's your business, I suspect it's not worth the effort.