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Generally, from the Eldar players in my area, Dire Avengers tend to get alot of crap, being shunned for Guardians instead.
Now, I turn to you guys. Are these accusations founded, are Guardians better than Dire Avengers? I think that they are about equal, but I have an open mind...
Short answer, yes Guardians are better. People try and use Avengers and can come up with ways to make them worth but generally Guardians will do the same thing or better for cheaper. Current Avengers reek.
Full respect to those who use them and make them work.
I did. :] Well, i had no choice in the sense of fluff (i am playing biel tan) but they actually can be quite effective. while they can't get a heavy weapon or a warlock, their exarch can be a pain in the ass. and besides, i dont favour HW in guardian squads, as it mostly draws you back 50 points (thats 6 more guardsmen) and i like to fleet on foot them.
the BS4 and the better AV of 4+ means that they score a lot more hits and have a far higher chance for survival. true, 4+ will get eaten by HB and the like, but if you play alot of aspect warriors, only few opponents will shoot at dire avengers if they could shoot banshees etc. as well.
however, i am looking forward to the nex dex, where dire avengers would do two things as far as rumor go, as long as they have an exarch with these powers:
1) i am not exactly sure, but i think it was shooting three shots each instead of two but not alowed to shoot in the next turn if they do so.
2) retreat from combat in any round. this means you can move up to 6" fire 3 shots at a target, charge it, opponent attacks back (i am assuming their INI is higher), the next turn you retreat and charge again, gaining +1 attack.
well, wait and see if this is actually going to happen...
It's a touchy subject, for points you have to go with guardians but since Avengers are Aspect warriors they are faster and they have a better ballistic skill. I find they are better than guardians for supporting assault groups with close shooting and assault, due to their stats. Armour too.
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yes in the current Dex Avengers are surpassed by guardians.
the extra points are not worth the improved stats.
but with teh new dex, man i am going to include two big fast squads of avengers for sure.
(bladestrom all over the place :shifty: )
"Ask not the Eldar a question, for they will give you three answers; all of which are true and terrifying to know"
Dire avengers are getting better and will be worth investment over Gaurdians in the next codex....in case nobodies already mentioned.
In the current codex, the max DAs is 10. which in and of itself is enough to render the guardians superior. it is hard to argue with 41 shurikens that get a 5+ cover save. in the new dex I'm gonna mech 2 - 4 units of DA and use them, a farseer w/ doom, and a WL to give a resounding "stay the f*** away!" for take and holds. or subtract the WL, Jetbike the seer, and hunt costly stuff with 84 shuriken shots (exarchs w/p wep and pistol) and then 66 attacks on the charge, and enemy re-rolls all passed armour saves. no to mention my not so beastly farseer, valid for another 7 possible armour saves I think?.
in the current dex, either 5 Guards + plat or 20 guards surpasses 10 DAs for your investment.
If it's not funny, I will remove it. Stand Warned.
OK DA vs Guardians.
Clearly one for one, the DA is better.
But, it aint 1 for 1, the points difference means that far more guardians would be on the board, that coupled with the extra suff for guardians (weapons platforms, larger squads, attached warlocks) means guardians win every time, until november......
Everything you have been told is a lie!
I have loved dire avengers and what they have done for me since i got my fisrt set.
At first, i admit, it was hard to find the correct use for them, but then it clicked.
Togather, my dire averngers have more kills than any other of my units, they have
a stand out prformance everybattle. I love them all, and they are my favorite unit.
I love each one of the 48 battle hardened troops i own. I do like gaurdians too though.
Some real noob statements I have heard:
"Well, your guy fired last turn so now he has to reload"
"You have to take a test to see if your guy sucessfuly turns his chainsword on"
"Im gonna use my guy's jetpacks self-destruct mechanism to kill you fire dragons"
i don't know much about eldar, but after taking a look in the new codex (already have it! :-D :rolleyes: ) i can say that dire avangers are pretty good
ws 4 bs 4 i 5 save 4+ excharc can be upgrades to give the sqaud a 5+ inv save
so i say in the new codex thay are pretty good!
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